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Old Posted Mar 24, 2012, 11:21 PM
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They are using the high school to evoke sympathy for their case to stop the westside extension, which now has more support since a ban was put on tax money going to rail projects back in the 90s. It is not about a high school or about safety, it is a last ditch effort to stop the urbanization of Los Angeles. People want the westside extension, so I can't characterize this as 'shoving' something down their throats.
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Are there other examples that can be pointed to? Cause the "ram it down their throats" is almost a sure fire way to kill any cooperation you'd get such from such loaded areas.
For sure. And cooperation should come first.

However, what you must realize is that sometimes (or sadly in LA's case...VERY often), depending on the area, some organizations or groups of people (homeowner assoc., activists, BHUSD, FixExpo, etc) will not be satisfied until they get their way. And more often than not, their "way" is BY FAR the most unreasonable, expensive, and least cost-effective. In such cases as building rail lines, more often than not, grade-seperation is the request. And in this case in particular, routing the purple line on santa monica blvd would NOT be as bang-for-your-buck as Constellation ave. The studies prove it... not to mention common sense.

The same goes for land development. So much red tape, bureaucracy, and public relations management. If there are any reasons why businesses don't like LA, this is one of them, along with taxes.
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L.A.’s Westside Subway is Practically Ready for Construction, But Its Completion...

L.A.’s Westside Subway is Practically Ready for Construction, But Its Completion Could be 25 Years Off

Yonah Freemark
March 25th, 2012
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"Of the nation’s public transportation improvement projects, Los Angeles’ Westside Subway is one of the most important: It would offer an alternative option for tens of thousands of daily riders and speed travel times by up to 50% compared to existing transit trips. It would serve one of the nation’s densest and most jobs-rich urban corridors and in doing so take a major step forward towards making L.A. a place where getting around without a car is comfortable.

L.A. County’s transit provider, Metro, released the final environmental impact statement for the 8.9-mile Westside Subway project last week, providing the most up-to-date details on a multi-billion-dollar scheme that is expected to enter the construction phase next year. The project received a positive review by the Federal Transit Administration in the Obama Administration’s FY 2013 budget, and it is likely to receive a full-funding grant agreement from Washington later this year. Local revenue sources generated by taxes authorized over the years by voters will cover the majority of the project’s cost..."

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Old Posted Apr 3, 2012, 12:42 AM
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And the ugliness has begun:

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2012/0..._bev_hills.php

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Metro hosted an open house for the Purple Line subway extension last Thursday night at Beverly Hills's Temple Emanuel, and it seems to have been a bit of a shitshow, according to reports from the Beverly Patch and a video of the proceedings. The event follows the recent release of the final environmental report for the extension, in which Metro proposed a central Century City station at Constellation, which requires tunneling under Beverly Hills High School. Metro cites both seismic issues--a Santa Monica Blvd. stop, which would not require tunneling under BHHS, would sit on a fault line--and ridership numbers that show thousands more people would use a Constellation stop. School officials and many residents are not happy with Constellation, though the reason why has been something of a moving target. Most recently, officials say that Beverly Hills-commissioned studies have found "safety concerns related to the proposed Constellation location," according to CenturyCitySubway.org, a website run by BHUSD's PR firm.
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2012, 1:27 AM
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If it's unsafe to run on either route, maybe it's best not to run the line at all?
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If it's unsafe to run on either route, maybe it's best not to run the line at all?
its all nonsense. the beverly hills nimbys have been brainwashed by a bunch of fuckers and now they are screaming "wont somebody please think of the children." i dont think metro will back down and the courts will laugh at BH.
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Well, let's hope it doesn't get there, but if (read when) it does, I agree and hope you are right. It certainly doesn't seems like there is any legitimate argument on the NIMBY's side.
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Construction starts on Pasadena to Azusa light-rail Gold Line (LA Times)

Construction starts on Pasadena to Azusa light-rail Gold Line


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April 4, 2012
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"The Metro Gold Line Foothill Extension Construction Authority has begun construction of the roughly 11.5-mile Pasadena to Azusa light-rail line, officials announced.

Building the $735-million project had been stalled since at least July while officials worked to clear two funding hurdles.

The first was cleared in February when Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway turned over its rail right-of-way west of Irwindale, according to a news release from the agency. The second was when they gained control last month of more than 50% of the land needed for a maintenance yard."

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Construction starts on Pasadena to Azusa light-rail Gold Line


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April 4, 2012
Los Angeles Times

"The Metro Gold Line Foothill Extension Construction Authority has begun construction of the roughly 11.5-mile Pasadena to Azusa light-rail line, officials announced.

Building the $735-million project had been stalled since at least July while officials worked to clear two funding hurdles.

The first was cleared in February when Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway turned over its rail right-of-way west of Irwindale, according to a news release from the agency. The second was when they gained control last month of more than 50% of the land needed for a maintenance yard."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...log+(L.A.+Now)
It's odd that this article has come out now, considering, they've been working on the extension for several months already -- there is tons of scaffolding, metal, etc. over the 210 right now as they build the Gold Line bridge over the East-bound lanes.

Did they not start construction many months ago?
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2012, 7:28 AM
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I think the bridge over 210 was bid separately from the grading, trackwork, and electrification contracts. You're not wrong, though - since the 210 bridge is part of the line, construction has already started.
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Will the westside subway ever be extended from VA Hospital to Santa Monica? How I would love to leave my car in DTLA hang out, then take the subway to Hollywood and then to Santa Monica all in the same day without having to worry about traffic or having to pay for parking everywhere. Traffic and parking is the reason I don't visit LA that often.
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^ I have to imagine in the next round of transit sales tax measure that the final extension to Santa Monica will be among highest priorities.
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In the meantime you can take Expo, which WILL link DTLA to Santa Monica in only a few short years.
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Downtown LA looks to merge mythic past and glistening future with streetcar line

Downtown LA looks to merge mythic past and glistening future with streetcar line

Article by: ANDREW DALTON
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April 8, 2012

“LOS ANGELES - Half a century after the last of the lost Pacific Electric Red Cars rumbled through Los Angeles, a move has begun to return streetcars to downtown LA.

With a route chosen by the city and an environmental review begun, the proposed four-mile Broadway-to-Figueroa loop is a modest project compared to the region's subway extensions and freeway expansions, but would provide a link between the key spots of the downtown renaissance and a symbolic link with the city's mythologized past.

Los Angeles once had a thousand miles of streetcar tracks…”

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It's odd that this article has come out now, considering, they've been working on the extension for several months already -- there is tons of scaffolding, metal, etc. over the 210 right now as they build the Gold Line bridge over the East-bound lanes.

Did they not start construction many months ago?
The Iconic Bridge project was a different contract than the one awarded to Kiewet Parsons, who is doing the full Gold Line extension (i.e. rails and stations). Kiewet Parsons could not be granted the Notice to Proceed until the 2 conditions were met (abandonement by UP of the railroad and 50% of the rail yard as these would hamper construction ability).

I.e. think of it like the Culver City station and rest of Expo Line. 2 different contractors with 2 different segments.

Anyways, full steam ahead!
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When is the second phase of the Expo Line scheduled to break ground?
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When is the second phase of the Expo Line scheduled to break ground?
It already did. In September.
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Proposed north-south San Fernando Valley Metro line could run on Sepulveda Boulevard

Proposed north-south San Fernando Valley Metro line could run on Sepulveda Boulevard instead of Van Nuys Boulevard

By Christina Villacorte
Los Angeles Daily News
04/09/2012


The Metro Orange Line's stops include this one near Sepulveda Boulevard in Van Nuys. The MTA is drawing up new plans for a north-south transit line in the East San Fernando Valley that could run along Sepulveda. (David Crane/Los Angeles Daily News)

“The Metro Orange Line's stops include this one near Sepulveda Boulevard in Van Nuys. The MTA is drawing up new plans for a north-south transit line in the East San Fernando Valley that could run along Sepulveda. (David Crane/Los Angeles Daily News) County officials are reworking plans to build new north-south transit service in the eastern San Fernando Valley after hearing the public clamor for more options.

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority previously had been looking at building a new route, either for buses, light rail or street cars, along Van Nuys Boulevard. The transit corridor would stretch 10.25 miles from Ventura Boulevard to the 210 Freeway.

During several community meetings in October, however, local residents and business owners asked for alternatives…”

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I think Sepulveda would be the better choice as it can connect to the westside via the pass but I'm not familiar with local traffic on either street.
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The Iconic Bridge project was a different contract than the one awarded to Kiewet Parsons, who is doing the full Gold Line extension (i.e. rails and stations). Kiewet Parsons could not be granted the Notice to Proceed until the 2 conditions were met (abandonement by UP of the railroad and 50% of the rail yard as these would hamper construction ability).

I.e. think of it like the Culver City station and rest of Expo Line. 2 different contractors with 2 different segments.

Anyways, full steam ahead!

Thanks LAofAnaheim and Ardecila for the explanation.

I guess I think of the bridge as part of the Gold Line (which it will be). Wasn't aware it was two different contractors...
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