Power Centre Development

[Mille Sabords]

Originally Posted by Acajack

One place I went:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S...village-1w.jpg

It's a long way from Innes Rd.!

You said it. If the Aussies can do this, and they are as suburbanized and car-addicted as we are, then what's our excuse?

[BlackRedGold]

Originally Posted by Mille Sabords

You said it. If the Aussies can do this, and they are as suburbanized and car-addicted as we are, then what's our excuse?

We're too close to the Americans, who have given us horrible examples of suburban development.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Mille Sabords

You said it. If the Aussies can do this, and they are as suburbanized and car-addicted as we are, then what's our excuse?

Indeed. It's been some years (10-15), but if I recall the area around this shopping street was reminescent of single-family home dominated parts of Alta Vista, though with even fewer high-rise (if any) than Alta Vista.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold

We're too close to the Americans, who have given us horrible examples of suburban development.

Whereas the Aussies are still somewhat influenced by Britain, in spite of the distance. Not to say it's exactly like the UK (which it isn't obviously), but it's still different from Canada where almost all British influences have been expunged in favour of American ones.

[Radster]

Its also a lack of imagination by city planners and by the developers of these suburbs. Look at residential areas in our suburbs and compare them to what residential areas look like in Australian suburbs. Ours are cookie cutter homes, often very low density, in Australia they have architctural variety and higher densities.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Radster

Its also a lack of imagination by city planners and by the developers of these suburbs. Look at residential areas in our suburbs and compare them to what residential areas look like in Australian suburbs. Ours are cookie cutter homes, often very low density, in Australia they have architctural variety and higher densities.

By and large, you are right. Though the same cookie-cutter phenomenon is present in Australia as well, and large swaths of newer areas near Sydney and Melbourne look a lot like suburban Las Vegas or Phoenix.

Check out Homeworld!
http://www.homeworld.com.au/

[BlackRedGold]

Originally Posted by Radster

Its also a lack of imagination by city planners and by the developers of these suburbs. Look at residential areas in our suburbs and compare them to what residential areas look like in Australian suburbs. Ours are cookie cutter homes, often very low density, in Australia they have architctural variety and higher densities.

What are the densities in new Australian suburbs like? These days in Ottawa, it seems like most houses are being put on 3500 square foot lots.

There is architectural variety in Ottawa. You just have to pay the premium to have an upscale builder do it for you.

I wonder how much of the difference is due to houses in Australia not needing to be built with Ottawa's harsh climate in mind. Do homes in Australia have central heating?

[Acajack]

The mythical Australian Dream is a house on a “quarter acre block”, as they call it. What’s that? 10,000 square feet about?

Not too many of those lots around in the suburbs of the larger Australian cities anymore. I think they are building on lots similar to what you described for Ottawa: between 3500 sq ft up to maybe 5000 sq ft for a McMansion (they use the term there as well). Which means that some of these palatial homes don’t even have much of backyard for the kids to take advantage of all that great weather. A big issue in Oz is also homes that are built without eaves. Lots of houses are built without eaves because they count in the width of the house. Leave the eaves off and you can build even closer to the property line.

Regarding heating: central heating doesn’t really take up that much space when you think about it. For what’s it’s worth, central heating is rare down there (non-existent from Sydney northwards in fact). Even in cooler places like Canberra (the coldest city in the country – and it’s milder than Victoria) and Melbourne it’s quite rate. My parents had friends who went there to work at the Canadian embassy and they had a hard time finding a house with central heating, even though the mercury does drop below freezing at night in Canberra a few times during each winter.

[waterloowarrior]

update on the rockland wal-mart supercentre


smartcentres orleans - not sure of the date, but newer than the one on the first page

[Radster]

I had a talk with the Gatineau councellor (Mr. Pilon) representing the Val-Tetreau Hull sector, which includes the Plateau sector, and he gave me some news with regards to the construction happening on the corner of du Plateau blvd and des Grives blvd, where First Capital Realty has started construction in the past couple weeks. This development will bring a new Royal Bank branch, a Jean Coutu pharmacy and a eye glass (lunnetterie) store, these will be LEED certified buildings.
Furthermore, Trinity Developments, on whose land the Rona and Starcité (among many others) sit, will also construct a Boston Pizza this year, which will be beside the Starcité, behind the Rona, finally a much needed restaurant/sports bar in this area!
By 2009, des Grives blvd will be extended from du Plateau blvd. to Allumettieres blvd to help relieve the traffic situation in the Plateau, this will offer another entrance into this entire mushrooming sector for people driving from Aylmer and Ottawa, all the city is waiting for is the "ok" from the MTQ (Quebec Ministry of Transport).

[waterloowarrior]

Trinity Development Group Inc. (Trinity) is proposing to construct an approximate 37,800m2 (406,392 ft2) commercial development on substantially vacant lands located along the south side of West Hunt Club Road, within the Merivale Industrial Area in the City of Ottawa.

As illustrated in Figure 1, Site Context, the site is located between the Sunderland Street/Roydon Place intersection and the VIA Rail/CN Rail overpass immediately east of the existing east end (cul-de-sac) of Jamie Avenue. It is also approximately equally distributed on either side of an existing signalized intersection on West Hunt Club Road which provides
access to Mark Motors to the north.

The proposed development will contain a home improvement and garden centre of approximately 13,180 m2 (141,692 ft2) GLA along with approximately 24,600 m2 (264,700 ft2) GLA of stand-alone retail. Parking space for approximately 1870 cars is to be provided on the site.

Construction is anticipated to begin by the end of 2008 and to be carried out in two phases with Phase 1 comprising the home improvement and garden centre within a total development of approximately 30,360 m2 (329,292 ft2) with the remaining 7170 m2 (77,100 ft2) second phase being build-out over a three year period, by 2012. Figure 2 illustrates the proposed site plan for Phase 1.







btw, it's a Lowe's (according to the traffic study data)

site plan control application page

[waterloowarrior]

big box info from the annual development report... lots of good info

Big Box
Power centres now account for four of Ottawa’s five largest retail nodes in terms of space.

Construction activity in 2007 was focused on Orléans. Work was completed on power centres by Trinity and SmartCentres on Innes Road. Between the 2005 and 2007 City-commissioned retail surveys, over 155,000 m2 (1.7 msf)
of new retail space has opened in Orléans. The Innes Road power node, with 133,000 m2 (1.43 msf) of space, is now the city’s largest, surpassing the Kanata power centre by almost 40,000 m2. [that's about the size of Bayshore and Place D'Orleans combined! ]

South Nepean was the second most active area of retail construction. The Greenbank-Strandherd intersection has become a full-fledged power centre whose drawing power has caused retailers to relocate there or close other Barrhaven locations. Examples include Loeb, Shoppers Drug Mart, a post office, a medical centre and a Home Hardware, all of which either closed or relocated to the new node. The Greenberg-Strandherd intersection now has almost 90,000 m2 (970,000 sq.ft.) of retail space, Ottawa’s fifth largest concentration.

Kanata and Stittsville are poised for a large wave of new retail projects totalling about 210,000 m2 (2.2 msf). The proposals are focused on four areas: both sides of Highway 417 around Scotiabank Place; north March Road near Morgan’s Grant; Eagleson Road south; and Hazeldean Road west of the Carp River.

In Stittsville, there are proposals for a 10,600-m2 Sobeys and a 5,800-m2 plaza that will include Giant Tiger, the LCBO and Royal Bank.

Between Stittsville and Kanata, on Hazeldean Road, three power centres are proposed by Bryton Capital/CMHC, North American and Trinity, totalling 73,000 m2.

There are almost 100,000 m2 of new space proposed for the area around the 417-Terry Fox interchange, including an 11,700-m2 Rona and a 16,500-m2 Loblaws. The latter will replace the grocer’s outlet at Kanata Centrum. For its part, Kanata Centrum has plans for a further 5,000 m2 of new space.

At the intersection of March and Klondike Roads, Minto has proposed a 6,500-m2 plaza that would be anchored by a grocery store. South of this intersection, DIR Investments is proposing a third plaza with a Good Life gym and other outlets and further north, Trinity proposes a 10,000-m2 plaza with another grocery store.

Inside the Greenbelt, a new power centre at the Ottawa Train Yards was opened in 2007. Anchored by Wal-Mart, the centre already has 36 stores in 45,000 m2 of space open to the public. A second phase is scheduled for occupancy in 2009 and will include Ottawa’s first outlet of the U.S. chain Bed, Bath and Beyond.

On Carling Avenue, work continued on Ottawa’s first urban Canadian Tire store, a three-level, 9,300-m2 outlet at the corner of Churchill Ave. The site was formerly a car dealership. The new store will replace older ones at Fairlawn Plaza and on Richmond Road. Even though the new store can be described as a “big-box”, it has urban street presence with two retail frontages and some indoor parking. It constitutes a positive step in transitioning Carling Avenue toward a more urban, pedestrian-friendly mainstreet.

There is a proposal for redevelopment at Fairlawn Plaza, which would add about 14,850 m2 of new space.

East of the Rideau River there are seven proposals that would add 76,000 m2 of new retail. Loblaws is proposing two new 14,850-m2 stores, one at the corner of Walkley Road and Conroy Road, the other at the corner of St. Joseph Blvd. and Trim Road.

Riverside South has two strip mall proposals that account for 11,150 m2 of new space along Limebank Road (one at the corner of Spratt Road, another at the corner of Earl Armstrong Road). The “Hunt Club Plaza” strip mall, with 13,000 m2, is proposed for the southeast corner of Hunt Club and Riverside on land leased from the Airport Authority.

[clynnog]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

btw, it's a Lowe's (according to the traffic study data)
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Last time I drove by they were clearing the land...I think it had some oil refinery tanks or something on it....probably a nightmare in terms of clean up.

[waterloowarrior]

second cup and mr lube coming to Barrhaven Town Centre

[waterloowarrior]

what I'm assuming is the Trinity Manotick development posted earlier in this thread has been appealed to the OMB

[clynnog]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

what I'm assuming is the Trinity Manotick development posted earlier in this thread has been appealed to the OMB

I assume that Trinity appealed this as they didn't get a decision within the provincially mandated response time?.....they better hope they get a sympathetic OMB board member as I don't think the application has much going for it.

[waterloowarrior]

Originally Posted by clynnog

I assume that Trinity appealed this as they didn't get a decision within the provincially mandated response time?.....they better hope they get a sympathetic OMB board member as I don't think the application has much going for it.

I'm guessing that is the case.... I don't remember seeing it up for approval. very likely it wouldn't have been approved by the agri & rural affairs committee and/or council I think.

[TransitZilla]

Heron Gate is being "de-malled". Planning application is here:
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__6A6AOG

This mall is in need of a re-development- the proposal looks like an improvement, as long as the buildings along Heron and Walkley don't turn their backs on the street.

[waterloowarrior]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

Heron Gate is being "de-malled". Planning application is here:
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__6A6AOG

This mall is in need of a re-development- the proposal looks like an improvement, as long as the buildings along Heron and Walkley don't turn their backs on the street.

It's likely that the doors along Heron and Walkely in the site plan are actually emergency exits/service doors. Note the lack of pedestrian walkways to them. Unfortunate, given that a real streetwall of retail could easily be created around the site with all those new buildings. I'm sure some high density could also possibly go there since there is so much nearby (although given the location it wouldn't be upscale condos )

Some of the redevelopment of suburban GTA malls and strip malls is quite cool.

eg. 770 Lawrence Ave West






Finch and Warden

steeles and don mills



and of course - Don Mills Centre
http://www.shopsatdonmills.ca/rtecon...Renderings.pdf



many more listed here
http://urbantoronto.ca/showthread.ph...highlight=mall

[Bucolic Urbanity]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Finch and Warden

I lived near this area (5 -10 minute drive away) in the mid 70's/mid 80's. All of those apartments in the area would make a change....IIRC the parking lot was much larger than Bridlewood Mall ever needed. Even from the outset, the mall only really attracted B grade tenants. The interesting thing about that mall was the fact that it had a small graveyard in the parking lot that they had to build around.

What is the chance of success of all of this new development. It could prop up the attendance at L'Amoreaux CI.