Your city's "favoured quarter"

[10023]

Look guys, obviously there’s a ton of money all over the NY area. Westchester/Greenwich are still the “favored quarter”. As McBane says, there’s more cachet and prestige.

And Goldman partners (the ones who aren’t in Manhattan) are in Jersey because of the Holland Tunnel. The commute from up north is unmanageable. Commutes dictate a lot, actually. That and the fact that many of those places (Short Hills, Livingston, etc) are very Jewish, and so is GS.

But I’ve never heard of those rich Jersey suburbs being talked about in quite the same way, not in person or in films and media (though at least the North Shore of Long Island has the whole gilded age, Great Gatsby thing going for it). And it’s probably because Westchester/CT is old money and WASP-y, and the others are newer money and Jewish. They’re all rich, but former is still the “traditional” favored quarter.

Take that, dead horse.

[Docere]

Westchester is heavily Jewish as well.

[10023]

Originally Posted by Docere

Westchester is heavily Jewish as well.

Not like the others, I don’t think. But it wouldn’t really matter because what I’m talking about is the traditional image of the place (or “cachet” to borrow someone else’s term).

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by 10023

Not like the others, I don’t think. But it wouldn’t really matter because what I’m talking about is the traditional image of the place (or “cachet” to borrow someone else’s term).

Traditionally, yes, Westchester wasn't very Jewish. Even Scarsdale, probably the archetypal upscale Jewish suburb, was regarded as unwelcoming to Jews until the early 70's. Armonk, which may be more Jewish than Scarsdale, didn't gain this reputation until the 80's.

Westchester still has some super-desirable WASP strongholds (though now with lots of Catholics). Bronxville is extremely expensive, and almost no Jews. $2 million probably gets you less in Bronxville than in any NYC-area suburb. Rye and Larchmont have Jews, but not a huge amount. And Fairfield County still isn't very Jewish for NYC area standards.

The Bronx (the most Jewish place in America at the time) lost a gigantic amount of secular Jews in the 1960's and 70's, and many (most?) probably headed north to their next-door neighbor, so Westchester didn't become heavily Jewish until a generation ago. It was extremely WASP.

And I agree with your previous points about commuting patterns and desirability. Goldman partners who aren't in the city proper tend to live in Jersey because Goldman is in Lower Manhattan, just as wealthy professionals who work in East Midtown are more likely to live along Metro North routes (though this might change a bit with East Side Access). Short Hills doesn't make much sense if you work on Park Ave.

[10023]

Originally Posted by McBane

Also, those looking down at Seaside, etc. can come off a bit elitist. These are affordable beach vacations, close to home - no need to fly. And as tacky as it may appear, find me one child who doesn't love the amusement rides, games, and junk food at the boardwalk; it's quintessential Americana. The Hamptons along with the bulk of Jersey Shore towns, places like Longport, Avalon, Margate, etc. are really out of reach for the average American family but towns like Wildwood, Ocean City, Sea Isle, and Seaside are fun, affordable getaways.

What does elitist mean?

Is it elitist to say that McDonald’s food is garbage, or that Applebee’s is terrible? If so then yes, I’m elitist.

But that’s not really elitism. That’s recognizing that some things are nicer than other things. Many of those cheaper Jersey Shore towns are just not very nice places. They certainly aren’t as nice as more expensive towns, and even the people who visit them wouldn’t disagree. That they are all that many people can afford doesn’t change that fact.

And of course, this thread is about “favored quarters”, which implies places that are out of reach for “the average American family”. Yes, it’s great that there’s a place for a cheap beach weekend, but that’s not what the thread is about.

[Docere]

New Rochelle was the "Jewish suburb" of Westchester in the 1950s and 1960s. It had 22,000 Jews in 1957. Scarsdale was more welcoming than other southern Westchester communities and was around 35% Jewish in 1960.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=JNj...rsdale&f=false

[10023]

Bringing back this thread just because I saw this map in a shop window. Just to demonstrate the extent to which West London is the traditional favored quarter, check out this tube map from 1928:



The tube went to west London suburbs before it went east of Aldgate.

[montréaliste]

Given Montreal is an island, and a fairly big one at that, I would concentrate on neighborhoods and unmerged municipalities on said island.

The core parts of the city; downtown and what constitutes the vestiges of the Golden Square Mile, a neighborhood bounded by the top of Mount Royal Park at
Pine Avenue down to Sherbrooke street. Almost anything residential of historical value below Sherbrooke street has either been reclaimed for Office buildings, retail businesses, restaurants or University related stuff.

The Plateau's originally a mix of middle-class and working-class French-Canadian residents and immigrants on the Western portion is now favored because of its proximity to the core and the mountain.

Westmount is an extraordinary city west of downtown that grew out of the need of wealthy Montrealers to build outside the core from the streets below Sherbrooke (Lower Westmount) to the top of the mountain at Summit Circle.
The wide variety of residential architecture makes it a must for visitors. The view from the upper reaches includes the downtown skyline, the pop-up mountains of the Monteregian Plateau and those of the Vermont and Eastern Townships.

Outremont, on the other side of the mountain as its name implies, is the French version of Westmount, at least at the outset, and even Westmount now is fairly frenchified statistically. Outremont has stunning architecture also, and great panoramic views of the city's North end and the Laurentian mountains.

Hampstead, and Town of Mount-Royal are pretty nice enclaves close to the mountain but on flat land.

Further out, parts of the West Island suburbs from Lachine on the shore of Lake St-Louis all the way to Ste-Anne-de Bellevue.

The Island on the western tip is bounded by two lakes; Lake St-Louis on the South shore and Lake of Two Mountains on the North side, Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue, is the Westernmost on-island suburb. It stradlles both lakes, it is for the most part modest but is neighbor to very wealthy towns; Baie d'Urfé to the South-East and Senneville to the North-East.

Pointe-Claire and Beaconsfield, Baie d'Urfé are pretty snazzy especially near the waterfront, but Senneville on the North Shore is the most exclusive suburb on the Island with huge mansions and large forested areas, helipads, and horse farms. The last agricultural farms left on the Island are in that general vicinity.

As off Island suburbs go, Laval-sur-le Lac on the North Shore suburb of Laval.
Off Island west suburbs of Hudson and St-Lazare are favored cities too.

On the South Shore, St-Lambert on the other side of Victoria Bridge (circa1860) is a pretty leafy and favored suburb close to downtown Montreal.

Further South Shore suburbs linked to downtown by suburban rail that are favored are the towns that straddle the Richelieu river; Mont St-Hilaire, Beloeil, Otterburn Park, Chambly. Mont St-Bruno has a couple of mansions nestled in the National Park section. Mont St-Grégoire and Rougemont are also very sweet, apple growing and now progressively wine growing regions extrapolating the wine route that stretches from the Vermont border centered around Dunham, Quebec.

[Centropolis]

st. louis:



very strong "favored quarter" or wealth wedge.
(real estate value heat map)

[Centropolis]

eastern great lakes:

[edale]

^ What are these maps of? And what do the different colors connote?

[Centropolis]

other midwest:

chicago






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twin cities

[Centropolis]

Originally Posted by edale

^ What are these maps of? And what do the different colors connote?

sorry, got ahead of myself. they are real estate value heat maps. i thought they might be instructive denoting favored quarters/corridors as they exist. yellow is 1/2 million us median listing price.

[Centropolis]

nashville has a clear favored quarter heading into the city

[Centropolis]

here's chicago in better detail:

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[Obadno]

The Northeast Phoenix wedge that essentially goes from downtown in a perfect 90 degree quadrent

[digitallagasse]

For Las Vegas metro is split. The far west side neighborhood of Summerlin is the most favored. The city of Henderson in the southeast is also favored as well. The wealth in the area has large clusters in both. In general the wealth is more at the edges of the valley. The central neighborhoods tend to be concentrations of poverty. The east side, even at the edges of the valley, are clearly not favored. North Las Vegas is also not favored as well but is improving.

[Ric 0_0]

For, Atlanta the favored quarter is the northern part of the metro. Sandy Springs to Cobb to Alpharetta is expensive and coveted. Sections of the city itself are also in high demand (Grant Park, etc.)

[TheseBoots]

Originally Posted by Docere

Does your city have "favored quarter" - i.e. a wedge running from the core towards affluent suburbs. Thinking for example of Chicago's North Side lakefront to North Shore for example.

In Toronto, there's a "favored quarter" area that runs north from downtown. The area looks something like this:

In Ottawa, I would say the favoured quarter runs along the Rideau Canal. These areas were the first Bytown (before Ottawa was the capital city) business, academic and political leaders’ places of residence and also further down along the waterways, estates (some of them timber or agri-businesses). They were “suburban” properties before suburban became bedroom community, that lay along the canal waterway.

The area: Starting with The Golden Triangle and Sandy Hill, moving south along both sides of the Rideau Canal through The Glebe, Old Ottawa East, Old Ottawa South, Rideau Gardens, Faircrest and Alta Vista, ending at Dow’s Lake, Brewer Park, boundaried by Bronson St. to the west and Alta Vista Drive on the east side of the canal.

There are also pockets of Golden (favoured) areas along the Ottawa River (ie. Rockliffe Park just east of 24 Sussex Dr. encompassing Rideau Hall, the Governor General’s residence) So, in the case of Ottawa it forms a sort of T-shape with breaks in between as the higher end pockets are former commuter trolley villages.

Since moving to Ottawa in 1991, I have always found it interesting how various stages of urban build-up have left these neighbourhoods with quite a distinct and varied look. The 417 cut a swath right through the heart of the core area, which although great for the later burbs, kind of unfortunately ended up detracting from a such beautiful original topography. Around the area of Lees used to be pastoral. As a once commuter using the OCtranspo from the Byward Market to Orleans, I did enjoy that some of the natural space was left in tact in this area.

[Docere]

Baltimore has the "white L" and "Black butterfly"

https://apps.urban.org/features/balt...estment-flows/