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Canadian ethnicity, immigration, housing etc.

Major release of 2016 census data today...

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-re.../Index-eng.cfm
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St. John's is 0.1% immigrant 8,135 immigrants in the city.

In my postal code, it is 8.5% immigrant. 15.5% are First Generation, and another 5.1% are Second Generation.

They are from:

1. United States/China
2. France (presumably SPM)/Iraq
3. Bangladesh/Egypt/Phillipines/Russia/South Africa
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St. John's is 0.1% immigrant 8,135 immigrants in the city.

In my postal code, it is 8.5% immigrant. 15.5% are First Generation, and another 5.1% are Second Generation.

They are from:

1. United States/China
2. France (presumably SPM)/Iraq
3. Bangladesh/Egypt/Phillipines/Russia/South Africa
Wow! That seems really low! It can't be 0.1%, lol.

Windsor is 27.8% immigrant, and our metro is 22.9%
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In my postal code, it is 8.5% immigrant. 15.5% are First Generation, and another 5.1% are Second Generation.
Aren't immigrants, as defined, only the first generation in Canada?
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Aren't immigrants, as defined, only the first generation in Canada?
I assume, but am not sure, that Immigrant refers to someone born in another country who now lives here, First Generation is the child of such an immigrant born here and living here, and Second Generation is a child of that First Generation person.

So those stats for my postal code I interpret as:

8.5% immigrant - born in another country, but living right here.
15.5% are First Generation - the child of at least one immigrant.
5.1% are Second Generation - people who are very conscious of the fact one or more grandparents came here from another country; I would expect them to be visible minorities or separatists being cheeky. IE I could say I'm a second generation Canadian, as my parents were born in Canada, but 3/4 grandparents (and most of my aunts/uncles) were born in an independent Newfoundland.
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I assume, but am not sure, that Immigrant refers to someone born in another country who now lives here, First Generation is the child of such an immigrant born here and living here, and Second Generation is a child of that First Generation person.

So those stats for my postal code I interpret as:

8.5% immigrant - born in another country, but living right here.
15.5% are First Generation - the child of at least one immigrant.
5.1% are Second Generation - people who are very conscious of the fact one or more grandparents came here from another country; I would expect them to be visible minorities or separatists being cheeky. IE I could say I'm a second generation Canadian, as my parents were born in Canada, but 3/4 grandparents (and most of my aunts/uncles) were born in an independent Newfoundland.
I gather that this means that of the 8.5% (total immigrants), 15.5%, and 5.1% are first and second generation respectively, otherwise the numbers could be added up for a total of 29.1 %, which seems high for that area (or maybe it isn't?). However, as noted above, first and second generations would not be considered immigrants, so either way the numbers seem confusing. And, yes, some NL'ers do speak of being first or second generation Canadian (I would be first gen).
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I gather that this means that of the 8.5% (total immigrants), 15.5%, and 5.1% are first and second generation respectively, otherwise the numbers could be added up for a total of 29.1 %, which seems high for that area (or maybe it isn't?). However, as noted above, first and second generations would not be considered immigrants, so either way the numbers seem confusing. And, yes, some NL'ers do speak of being first or second generation Canadian (I would be first gen).
They were listed in separate lines, so I assume they're separate groups. 29.1% seems high, yes, but if there was a neighbourhood where it could be possible in St. John's, mine is definitely among the top 2-3.
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I misread I think. St. John's is 4% immigrant and gets 0.1% of newcomers to Canada.
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Well that makes more sense
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Visible minorities mapped by Census Tract in the GTA:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...sus-shows.html
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Visible minorities mapped by Census Tract in the GTA:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...sus-shows.html
Over 80% visible minorities where I live.

There's one large tract in Scarborough that appears as 100% Chinese. However according to someone on Reddit, the only residential development in the whole tract is a Chinese nursing home.
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Over 80% visible minorities where I live.

There's one large tract in Scarborough that appears as 100% Chinese. However according to someone on Reddit, the only residential development in the whole tract is a Chinese nursing home.
Yeah, there's only a few hundred people in that tract.
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Over 80% visible minorities where I live.

There's one large tract in Scarborough that appears as 100% Chinese. However according to someone on Reddit, the only residential development in the whole tract is a Chinese nursing home.
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Yeah, there's only a few hundred people in that tract.
That's part of the problem with census tracts. Some are way too small, leading to weird stats like this that can be dangerous. How many alt-righters are now going to be circulating around the internet that OMG ONE NEIGHBOURHOOD IN SCARBOROUGH IS LITERALLY ALL CHINESE.
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The percentage of non-white Canadians and non-white Americans is pretty similar now in their respective countries.

Canada having 22.3% visible minority and 4.9% indigenous, in 2016 is pretty much similar to the US census in 2010 (if you only look at racial minorities but don't divide up Hispanic and non-Hispanic whites, which Canada doesn't).
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The percentage of non-white Canadians and non-white Americans is pretty similar now in their respective countries.

Canada having 22.3% visible minority and 4.9% indigenous, in 2016 is pretty much similar to the US census in 2010 (if you only look at racial minorities but don't divide up Hispanic and non-Hispanic whites, which Canada doesn't).
The US also counts people with roots in the Middle East and North Africa as "white." Also many filling out "Latin American" in the Canadian census would likely be classified as white and Hispanic in the US (since race and Hispanic origin are separate questions).

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Of the big three VM minority groups, the South Asian and Black populations increased by around 50% between 2006 and 2016 and the Chinese population by 30%. The first two have younger populations (21.5% of South Asians and 26.6% of Blacks are under 15 compared to 15.3% for Chinese Canadians), and hence natural increase played more of a role.
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Of the big three VM minority groups, the South Asian and Black populations increased by around 50% between 2006 and 2016 and the Chinese population by 30%. The first two have younger populations (21.5% of South Asians and 26.6% of Blacks are under 15 compared to 15.3% for Chinese Canadians), and hence natural increase played more of a role.
It seems like Chinese immigration from China itself might have peaked in the 2000s or early 2010s, since India and the Philippines overtook it during the past few years. The previous wave of Chinese immigration from Hong Kong also peaked around the 90s I believe, and also had a lot of return migration.
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It seems like Chinese immigration from China itself might have peaked in the 2000s or early 2010s, since India and the Philippines overtook it during the past few years. The previous wave of Chinese immigration from Hong Kong also peaked around the 90s I believe, and also had a lot of return migration.
Don;t forget the introduction of the ten year visa took away a lot of the incentive to immigrate. It allows them to enjoy much of the benefits while not having to submit to the full reach of Canadian taxation.

The global appetite for Canada’s new 10-year visas appears insatiable, especially in China.

More than three million people from countries with which Canada has long had travel restrictions have obtained the 10-year, multiple-entry visas since the program began in 2014.

With almost half the 10-year visas being handed out in Mainland China, where Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government this year opened seven new visa offices, the province of B.C., more than anywhere in Canada, has experienced a surge of visitors....

...But they have also been vulnerable to abuse by rich trans-nationals with families in Canada who seek to avoid paying Canadian income taxes on their global income.

More than 1.4 million Mainland Chinese have gone through the vetting process to obtain Canada’s 10-year visa, which allows visits of up to six months at a time.

More than 716,000 people from India have also obtained multiple-entry visas, followed by 273,000 from Brazil and 140,000 from the Philippines...
...Hyman said the popularity of the 10-year visas has come at the same time tens of thousands of foreign nationals, many of whom were the principal applicants for their family’s permanent resident status, are relinquishing the status for themselves.

This would normally mean they give up the chance to become Canadian citizens.

But Hyman and other immigration specialists say several Canadian tax loopholes allow trans-nationals “to transfer unlimited wealth” to spouses, children and other family members in Canada.

And in many cases, said Hyman, those family members use the breadwinner’s money to invest in real estate, particularly in Metro Vancouver.


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The US also counts people with roots in the Middle East and North Africa as "white." Also many filling out "Latin American" in the Canadian census would likely be classified as white and Hispanic in the US (since race and Hispanic origin are separate questions).
It seems there's a similar classification scheme according to Stats Canada:

"In contrast, in accordance with employment equity definitions, persons who reported 'Latin American' and 'White,' 'Arab' and 'White,' or 'West Asian' and 'White' have been excluded from the visible minority population. Likewise, persons who reported 'Latin American,' 'Arab' or 'West Asian' and who provided a European write-in response such as 'French' have been excluded from the visible minority population as well. These persons are included in the 'Not a visible minority' category. However, persons who reported 'Latin American,' 'Arab' or 'West Asian' and a non-European write-in response are included in the visible minority population. For example, respondents who checked 'Latin American' and wrote in 'Peruvian' are included in the 'Latin American' count. Respondents who reported 'Arab' and wrote in 'Lebanese' are included in the 'Arab' count. Respondents who reported 'West Asian' and wrote in 'Afghan' are included in the 'West Asian' count."

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-re...016006-eng.cfm

So, overall then, if you look at white (regardless of Hispanic or not) Americans, and white Canadians, both numbers as a share of the population are in the low 70s %.

I think it's fair to say that Canada and the US now have currently roughly equivalent racial diversity (just that in Canada's case, the non-whites are proportionally more Asian and aboriginal, and in the American case, the non-whites are mostly black, and non-white Hispanics).

Unlike for most of the two countries' histories, where it could be said that the US was more racially diverse (about 10-20% non-European descent, mostly African American), and Canada had typically less than 10%, and usually less than 5% non-European descent), now the two countries have converged in the 21st century.
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About half of Hispanics in the US put down "white" - but this is between a choice between white, black, Native American or "other."

Few Hispanics are accepted as white in the US. Certainly the largest group by far - Mexicans - are not. Cubans are more accepted as such but there share of the Hispanic population is very small.
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