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Old Posted Jan 26, 2009, 3:36 AM
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Had No Idea Pensacola Was Larger Than Mobile

It seems weird driving to Florida and going through Mobile---obviously Mobile is a larger city, but, metro Pensacola is significantly larger than Metro Mobile population wise. I was reading the almanac today and came across some interesting stats. I think Mobile is a lovely place, but, I was shocked to see the population stats Says in 2007 Pensacola Metro had 453,451 and Mobile had 404,406. And get this...Tallahassee had 352,319. I thought Tallahassee was larger than Pensacola! I guess things don't always seem as they are when you are driving through on an interstate. Interesting stuff....not significant stuff, but, interesting.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2009, 3:50 AM
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Well, the big difference between Pensacola and Mobile is that Mobile's metro only has one county in it, while Pens.'s has more than one. It's always puzzled me how Baldwin County isn't included in Mobile's metro area. I guess a larger amount work in Baldwin than Mobile. But, it of course would be completely incorrect to say that Mobile didn't have an enormous impact on Mobile. Eventually, I think we'll see Baldwin be included which would bring the Mobile metro to over 550,000.
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I didn't know Baldwin was not included in Mobile's metro stats. That doesn't make sense to me. I associate the Daphne/Spanish Fort area with Mobile. It would be the same as saying that Mandeville and Slidell aren't part of the New Orleans metro area. That's just plain wrong. The census bureau does some strange things, and this would be near the top.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2009, 4:10 AM
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makes no sense

Pensacola is the largest city in the Escambia/Santa Rosa area. I guess at 53,000 they must be "larger than Mobile". I "had no idea" that I was driving through such a metropolitan area when I pass the Cordova Mall.
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What's impressive to me is that a city the size of Pensacola can command a metro of more than 450K.

Yes, Pensacola is techically a larger metro, despite not seeming like one.
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What's impressive to me is that a city the size of Pensacola can command a metro of more than 450K.

Yes, Pensacola is techically a larger metro, despite not seeming like one.
There are a ton of CDP's in Escambia county, though, so Pensacola's 53,000 or so people is a little deceiving. Pensacola city limits only take up about 23 sq miles, which is tiny.

Population of CDP's bordering Pensacola (or close in):

Bellview - 21,201 (11.8 sq mi)
Brent - 22,257 (10.4)
Ensley - 18,752 (12.3)
Ferry Pass - 27,176 (14.1)
Gonzalez - 11,365 (15.3)
Goulding - 4,484 (1.2)
Myrtle Grove - 17,211 (6.6)
Warrington - 15,207 (6.6)
West Pensacola - 21,939 (7.4)

Pensacola - 56,255 (22.7)

If Pensacola were to suddenly annex it's unincorporated neighbors, it would have a population of about 216,000 in an area of about 108 square miles (density of about 2,000/sq mi)....which seems more appropriate for a city supporting a 440-450,000 metro.

Mobile's figures for the 2000 census give it a population of 198,915 in an area of 118 square miles....so the two places are strikingly similar if you put them in that context.



However, having been to both places, Mobile feels bigger than Pensacola anyways.
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There are a ton of CDP's in Escambia county, though, so Pensacola's 53,000 or so people is a little deceiving. Pensacola city limits only take up about 23 sq miles, which is tiny.

Population of CDP's bordering Pensacola (or close in):

Bellview - 21,201 (11.8 sq mi)
Brent - 22,257 (10.4)
Ensley - 18,752 (12.3)
Ferry Pass - 27,176 (14.1)
Gonzalez - 11,365 (15.3)
Goulding - 4,484 (1.2)
Myrtle Grove - 17,211 (6.6)
Warrington - 15,207 (6.6)
West Pensacola - 21,939 (7.4)

Pensacola - 56,255 (22.7)

If Pensacola were to suddenly annex it's unincorporated neighbors, it would have a population of about 216,000 in an area of about 108 square miles (density of about 2,000/sq mi)....which seems more appropriate for a city supporting a 440-450,000 metro.

Mobile's figures for the 2000 census give it a population of 198,915 in an area of 118 square miles....so the two places are strikingly similar if you put them in that context.



However, having been to both places, Mobile feels bigger than Pensacola anyways.
mobile is alot bigger than penscola fl mobile area is not 118 square miles it's 159.9 square milles mobile is growing larger2016
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2009, 4:56 AM
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Yea, Baldwin is considered the Daphne-Fairhope Micropolitan Area. But, it's included in the Mobile-Daphne-Fairhope Combined Statistical Area. This is what happens when you're dealing with huge coastal counties. The large land area of the counties brings communities in that aren't even influenced by that main city.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2009, 5:09 AM
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It's seriously a travesty of statistics not including Baldwin county in Mobile's MSA. If a county in Alabama is considered one of Atlanta's metro counties then this should definitely be defined.
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While it does seem weird that Baldwin isn't included in Mobile's MSA, the decision to add a county is determined primarily by one thing: workforce commuting patterns. As it stands, there simply aren't enough people from Baldwin who are traveling to Mobile for work. It sucks but we have to deal with it in Birmingham too (Tuscaloosa country is in neither the MSA or CMSA).
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Work patterns do supposedly play a large part in the equation, which is why this makes even less sense to us here in Mobile. We are about to build a billion dollar bridge that could hurt our port and downtown revitalization efforts in order to accomodate all the people commuting to work from Baldwin Co to Mobile. Not to mention that we already have I-10 and HWY 90 leading into 6 lanes worth of tunnel (Wallace and Bankhead Tunnels). Im pretty sure there are a signifficant number of people commuting from Baldwin Co to Mobile Co. I see almost as many 5 tags on a daily basis as I do 2 tags. This is the equivilent of Shelby Co not Being in Bhams MSA.
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It seems weird driving to Florida and going through Mobile---obviously Mobile is a larger city, but, metro Pensacola is significantly larger than Metro Mobile population wise. I was reading the almanac today and came across some interesting stats. I think Mobile is a lovely place, but, I was shocked to see the population stats Says in 2007 Pensacola Metro had 453,451 and Mobile had 404,406. And get this...Tallahassee had 352,319. I thought Tallahassee was larger than Pensacola! I guess things don't always seem as they are when you are driving through on an interstate. Interesting stuff....not significant stuff, but, interesting.
Really, stop trying to pick fights Sean, it is ridiculous. Pensacola metro is not that big. I mean, Escambia County Florida is made up of very, very small communities and the city of Pensacola is more like a large town. Anyone living in the South Alabama area knows that, and parts of Baldwin are included in Mobile's metro population. If all of Baldwin and Mobile were included, the total would be around 600,000.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2009, 12:40 AM
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Really, stop trying to pick fights Sean, it is ridiculous. Pensacola metro is not that big. I mean, Escambia County Florida is made up of very, very small communities and the city of Pensacola is more like a large town. Anyone living in the South Alabama area knows that, and parts of Baldwin are included in Mobile's metro population. If all of Baldwin and Mobile were included, the total would be around 600,000.
??? I'm not trying to pick fights. That is silly. You are the only one that is thinking about fighting on this board. It didn't cross my mind. All of the discussion is civil.

In any case, I can clearly see the argument about Baldwin County in regards to Mobile. I'll tell you, once you enter that county, it still feels like you are in Metro Mobile. It is all based on commuters into a central business area. It's pretty likely that Tangipahoa Parish in Louisiana and even Pearl River county could be added to Metro New Orleans in 2010--esp. since Hurricane Katrina escalated migration to these areas and that would add 180,000 to Metro New Orleans right there. And Baldwin county could be added to Mobile. They only make these types of changes every ten years. We'll see. I have several relatives that live in Carriere and Picayune in Pearly River County, Mississippi that have commuted to New Orleans for over a decade now.
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I believe they took B-county out of the metro about a year or two after the 2000 census, based on estimations. They tend to estimate a lot and get it wrong. But I think the commuting of jobs to Mobile from baldwin has to increase by about 2% to be including again. And with the service jobs decreasing in baldwin this might be true again by 2010.
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Thanks nashvol, you put out the list exactly I was thinking of doing after reading this thread for the first time last night. Everything you listed (and several others such as Gulf Beach, Perdido, etc that are not) are a part of a continuous sprawling city that I'd challenge anyone to find the beginning of one or the end of another where they connect. Not that the City has ever been all that aggressive in trying to annex areas, but for 20 years now it is next to impossible to do in Florida so don't expect the official "56k, so it's a tiny little town" attitude to ever go away. Obviously the place is multiples bigger than the city limit population but I'm not gonna go crazy and count the number of Wal-Marts, Home Depots, McDonalds and Starbucks, GE plants, Solutia plants, etc. trying to say this place isn't comparable to something like Dothan. I'll just say "believe it or not".

Also should throw in that neither Esc Cnty, AL nor Okaloosa is included in the 450k (to correct that). Now honestly I sorta feel Milton (and Jay, Century, etc) is a bit of a rural insular community that isn't necessarily as interactive with Pensacola as, say, Daphne is with Mobile. But at least as interactive as, say, Gulf Shores is with Mobile. But Pace, Gulf Breeze, PBeach, the Key etc...those places which may have a ditch of water separating them from the City...but they really only exist as communities of the Pensacola. Pace would still be 8 people and 3,000 cows without people running over there from Pensa to "get away" (or whatever their strange motivations are). Now it is a sprawling nightmare of traffic and box stores.

That said, the way we put MSA's together as whole counties may be the simplest way to go about it, but it isn't really all that accurate (as in my example above). But the same could be said in Baldwin County. Granted, the large majority of Baldwin residents live at the east foot of the Mobile Bay Bridge....but places like Seminole, Lillian, even Orange Beach and some others, IMO, have far more connection and interaction with Pensacola (or only exist because of) than Mobile. My point is, if you see the Pensa MSA as imperfect and painting an invalid picture of its population, adding the whole of Baldwin County to Mobile isn't any more accurate a picture.

Ok, I feel weird sitting here trying to defend Pensacola from being chalked up as the equivalent of Biloxi in size. Let me go back to the main Pensa thread and go back to griping about how we can't get our own steel mill or other economic development as usual.
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Wow.... I was almost sure that Baldwin County was considered part of the Mobile metro. So to say that Pensacola is "bigger" than Mobile is really strange to me. I guess looks can be deceiving.
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??? I'm not trying to pick fights. That is silly. You are the only one that is thinking about fighting on this board. It didn't cross my mind. All of the discussion is civil.

In any case, I can clearly see the argument about Baldwin County in regards to Mobile. I'll tell you, once you enter that county, it still feels like you are in Metro Mobile. It is all based on commuters into a central business area. It's pretty likely that Tangipahoa Parish in Louisiana and even Pearl River county could be added to Metro New Orleans in 2010--esp. since Hurricane Katrina escalated migration to these areas and that would add 180,000 to Metro New Orleans right there. And Baldwin county could be added to Mobile. They only make these types of changes every ten years. We'll see. I have several relatives that live in Carriere and Picayune in Pearly River County, Mississippi that have commuted to New Orleans for over a decade now.
I know you have a personal vendetta against Mobile and the development thereof, verses New Orleans. Say I am wrong, I can find all of you post to prove it.
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I know you have a personal vendetta against Mobile and the development thereof, verses New Orleans. Say I am wrong, I can find all of you post to prove it.
Do what you want. I don't have personal vendetta's against any city. That is really ridiculous. I may state something negative, but, to have a personal vendetta against any particular place would not be worth my while. I'm disappointed in you.

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Alon...I've looked at most of your posts and find you are interested in everybody and every city. I first thought you were trying to dig on Mobile but I think you were stating facts in a way we Mobilians could misconstrue but you meant no harm. That being said, our airport is lousy because the leadership HAS BEEN lousy. The good news is that Bay Haas is out and Bill Sisson is in. Right now we are having to pay Haas for another year of "consulting" before Sisson takes over. This leadership change will take a while to show results but I am confident that passenger numbers will rise and fares will drop. Most of the people I know in Mobile who fly on a pleasure trip will go to P'cola first and maybe Gulfport second; there is a big price difference. Our airport is also in the wrong place to encourage Baldwin county customers but great if you live in the woods on the MS/AL state line.
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Do what you want. I don't have personal vendetta's against any city. That is really ridiculous. I may state something negative, but, to have a personal vendetta against any particular place would not be worth my while. I'm disappointed in you.
Sorry you feel that way, but I take you post a little differnt than most.
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