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The future of the Gatineau-Executive Airport?

Here's a harebrained idea I've been coming up with, so bear with me...

I've come to have something of a "vision" with regards to Gatineau's airport. That airport could become a "secondary" airport and hub for these allegedly cheap airliners. As if often seen in many parts of Europe, the discount airlines often attempt to use lesser-known airports in order to provide their deals.

Perhaps even Porter and WestJet can be encouraged to offer lower fares if they operate some flights from this location. In fact, Porter considers Ottawa to be a "focus city" so they might show the greatest interest. Even WestJet's new gamble, Swoop, could be enticed.

There is plenty of space around the runway, and the runway itself could be expanded. There's plenty of room for a new taxiway and terminal building to the west or east of the current one, meaning current operations at the airport would face minimal disturbances.

There's a major highway nearby and with the future Kettle Island bridge, connectivity to the airport is made even better. STO future transit plans lead close to the area, and no doubt shuttle services from downtown will also improve ease of getting to the airport.

Granted, I don't expect this to happen any time soon (if ever), but it was just a thought I had. I'd love to know yours.
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Here's a harebrained idea I've been coming up with, so bear with me...

I've come to have something of a "vision" with regards to Gatineau's airport. That airport could become a "secondary" airport and hub for these allegedly cheap airliners. As if often seen in many parts of Europe, the discount airlines often attempt to use lesser-known airports in order to provide their deals.

Perhaps even Porter and WestJet can be encouraged to offer lower fares if they operate some flights from this location. In fact, Porter considers Ottawa to be a "focus city" so they might show the greatest interest. Even WestJet's new gamble, Swoop, could be enticed.

There is plenty of space around the runway, and the runway itself could be expanded. There's plenty of room for a new taxiway and terminal building to the west or east of the current one, meaning current operations at the airport would face minimal disturbances.

There's a major highway nearby and with the future Kettle Island bridge, connectivity to the airport is made even better. STO future transit plans lead close to the area, and no doubt shuttle services from downtown will also improve ease of getting to the airport.

Granted, I don't expect this to happen any time soon (if ever), but it was just a thought I had. I'd love to know yours.
Interesting ideas. Though I see some issues. Porter would have to move all their ops to Gatineau. That alone is doable, though it would rule out any future alliance or code-share with other airlines, particularly US airlines. And if Porter were to ever go beyond the Q400, such as C-Series, being at Gatineau would limit other options for them.

I'm not sure WestJet/Swoop would be feasible. Though they will treat the two entities as separate, there will be opportunities for connections from one to the other. WestJet being at YOW and Swoop at Gatineau wouldn't really work well. WestJet has just signed up with Delta for more integration, so there's a hurdle there as well.

I could see Sunwing and Transat making a go of it at Gatineau as their flights are pretty much all O&D. Perhaps a European carrier such as Icelandair? Or Ryanair - if they ever decide to fly transatlantic. All of that, though, is seasonal.

Let's say Sunwing/Transat went for Gatineau. What happens in the event there are diversions from YYZ or YUL, would they divert to Gatineau where they have some type of station presence, or YOW with no presence? We are all aware of the problems Transat ran into lately with regards to diversions.

You're optimistic about Kettle Island Bridge. I think that ship has sailed. That said, I think there is a role for Gatineau in commercial aviation. Finding and convincing niche airlines would be tricky.
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Ottawa's airport (the field at least) is oversized for the amount of traffic it gets. There's no need to split commercial traffic with another airport. And if/when HFR happens, you'll see a further reduction in air traffic to Ottawa, as airlines cut back on hub feeder flights to/from Toronto and Montreal.
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Ottawa's airport (the field at least) is oversized for the amount of traffic it gets. There's no need to split commercial traffic with another airport. And if/when HFR happens, you'll see a further reduction in air traffic to Ottawa, as airlines cut back on hub feeder flights to/from Toronto and Montreal.
HFR is more likely to hurt Porter more than AC and WS as a large percentage of their travellers are connecting rather than using Toronto as a destination.
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Here's a harebrained idea I've been coming up with, so bear with me...

I've come to have something of a "vision" with regards to Gatineau's airport. That airport could become a "secondary" airport and hub for these allegedly cheap airliners. As if often seen in many parts of Europe, the discount airlines often attempt to use lesser-known airports in order to provide their deals.

Perhaps even Porter and WestJet can be encouraged to offer lower fares if they operate some flights from this location. In fact, Porter considers Ottawa to be a "focus city" so they might show the greatest interest. Even WestJet's new gamble, Swoop, could be enticed.

There is plenty of space around the runway, and the runway itself could be expanded. There's plenty of room for a new taxiway and terminal building to the west or east of the current one, meaning current operations at the airport would face minimal disturbances.

There's a major highway nearby and with the future Kettle Island bridge, connectivity to the airport is made even better. STO future transit plans lead close to the area, and no doubt shuttle services from downtown will also improve ease of getting to the airport.

Granted, I don't expect this to happen any time soon (if ever), but it was just a thought I had. I'd love to know yours.
What is the problem you're trying to solve?
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What is the problem you're trying to solve?
No problem, just a passing thought I had about the Gatineau airport.
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What is the problem you're trying to solve?
The only problem I see is the Ottawa airport charging the airlines too much, so added competition might bring their rates down. It probably wouldn't last long though as there really isn't enough demand for two commercial airports.
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The Gatineau airport has already been promised to Amazon
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HFR is more likely to hurt Porter more than AC and WS as a large percentage of their travellers are connecting rather than using Toronto as a destination.
A good 25-30% of pax going to YYZ on AC and WS are also local, at least out of all the flights I've taken to YYZ. For me personally 3/4 of the time YYZ has been my final destination.

I don't think HFR will cut YOW's traffic (i.e. I think PD are at 16-17 flights a day to YYZ 'forever'), but I do think it'll impact YOW's growth...which we all know has been so stellar these past 5 years as it is.

As for YND, if it wants anything bigger than a Dash 8, it'll need a much bigger terminal.
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