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Old Posted Nov 25, 2011, 6:24 PM
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The bricks and debris at the Century Theatre site were being removed and the site levelled off this week.

Is this still a separate property held by the owner who demolished the theatre? or has it been purchased by the Police Dept.?
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2011, 7:04 PM
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well that's great. I'm not sure which is worse for neighbourhood revival, a crackhouse or a forensics lab.
Crackhouse. It's not even a contest. One employs people, the other...
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2011, 11:45 PM
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literalists. Everyone please take a look at the rendering of what was supposed to go on this site and then try to understand my nonexcitement about a bunch of cop geeks locating downtown.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2011, 12:19 AM
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Actually, if memory serves, this site was planned for police office use when it was first handed over from the Ontario AG office to this city back in 2006. Then this HRCC rendering was done up as an alternative a couple years later which included residential and commercial as well as office space, but a firm commitment for private sector involvement in those aspects never gelled, even with the promise of Public Health as anchor tenants. Given the tepid results of other neighbouring mixed used developments (Terraces on King, The Gore Building) along with the onset of the credit crunch, it isn't a big surprise that people shied away from commitment to the concept.

The pragmatic side of me is glad that there will be a significant owner making an adaptive reuse of the existing building. The streetwall is preserved and there is an influx of professionals who will be injecting fresh business to the BIA. And there is nothing to prevent a future intensification project in the area when market forces are more favourable to that idea.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2012, 11:54 PM
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Police to pitch $15m forensics building

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...nsics-building

Hamilton police want to build a new, state-of-the art forensic lab in the heart of the city’s downtown.

And they want City Hall to pick up most of the $15-million price tag.

The facility, which police say is desperately necessary, will house the forensics lab and other key departments in the plot of land between Mary, Rebecca, Wilson and Catharine streets.

On Wednesday, police will attend the general issues committee meeting to ask for $750,000 towards a $1.5-million design study.

Councillor Lloyd Ferguson, one of the city’s strictest fiscal conservatives, says he’s happy to contribute to the study.

However, when it comes to funding the rest of the project, he thinks the police department will have to wait its turn during next year’s budget process.

“It will have to get in line with all of the other capital requests we have for 2013, which includes aging infrastructure, our Hamilton Housing infrastructure that needs repairs, our lodges, our seniors’ centres,” Ferguson said.

Superintendent Mike Shea says the move is a key part of a plan to modernize the forensics lab, especially because inquiries after cases involving high-profile criminals such as Paul Bernardo and Guy Paul Morin have called for stricter separation of forensic evidence during police investigations.

The new lab will have three, self-contained examination areas — one for any evidence associated with the victim, another for evidence associated with the scene, and a third for evidence associated with the suspect. To prevent possible cross-contamination, all three rooms will have separate exhaust systems.

The police considered renovating the existing forensic laboratory, but found there wasn’t enough space to make the necessary upgrades.

“It’s in such a confined space, there’s just not the geography available,” Shea said.

The land proposed for the new forensics facility has a contentious history of its own. Both the police and the Downtown Mosque were interested in the property, which was formerly owned by the province.

City council voted last spring to purchase a portion of the property on behalf of the police. At that time, the police said they were interested in building a storage unit in the area.

Ferguson said one of the reasons he’s keen to fund the design study is because it will boost the city’s chances of getting funding for the project from the upper levels of government.

“Let’s get this stuff ready, because there’s always funding that can come out from other levels of government and we want to make sure it’s shovel-ready,” he said.
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2014, 12:21 AM
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Does anyone have any sort of updates on this project? What's happening?
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2014, 12:54 AM
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It involves the City - let's check back in a decade or so. Perhaps they will have filed the paperwork by then.

All dickishness aside, the City needs to put this property up for sale and just get out of the way. The City could easily kill any momentum downtown has if they are not careful - this property is just one example.
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2014, 2:03 AM
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CBC Hamilton reported today that the Downtown Mosque will be moving to the former Barn supermarket at Hess and York.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...move-1.2559559
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Does anyone have any sort of updates on this project? What's happening?
In the mosque story there was a link to another from CBC from November 29: Design work beginning on downtown forensics lab.
There's a city information report from Dec 4 that confirms they're issuing the RFP.

I don't see any further updates so they're probably still in the RFP process.

As for 193 King E. and the lot behind it... ??? It was supposed to be going up for sale. Late last year the BIA had wanted it torn down.

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Does anyone have any sort of updates on this project? What's happening?
These are the most recent renderings for any of the proposals for the site. They were never posted here, but they're from 2010:


"A proposal for the development and construction of an approximately 50,000 sf facility consisting of a cultural centre, a health centre and a college (the “Facility”) for the Centre français Hamilton inc. and Centre de santé communautaire Hamilton/Niagara. The facility would be built on the site of the recently demolished Century Theatre."


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Old Posted Mar 7, 2014, 12:09 AM
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That looks very ambitious...but great! I see part of the plan was the replicate the former street wall.

How did these pics not make it onto this site? Perhaps it's best they didn't.
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2014, 2:11 PM
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Buyers interested in transforming derelict Hamilton crack den

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...-den-1.2606178

City councillors will vote next week to put the former Sandbar Tavern— once a violent crack den—up for sale with several interested buyers eyeing the long derelict downtown property.

The general issues committee will vote Wednesday to declare the one-time tavern property at 193 King St. E. surplus, which means it would be sold at fair market value. There are about three parties interested in buying it, said Coun. Jason Farr of Ward 2.

Farr wouldn’t elaborate on who the potential buyers are, except to say that the property could be commercial or a mix of business and residential.

But recent coverage of the Sandbar’s future—with the International Village demanding some action, even going as far as tearing it down—has led to “easily three or four people with a real legitimate interest” in buying it, he said.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if two of them became part of some kind of tender.”

The Sandbar building has long been a bane for the International Village. It was a common site for police calls, violence and drug activity. Since 2001, two people have been beaten to death there.

In 2006, the province seized it under the Civil Remedies Act because of the crime there, and gave it to the city. It was so celebrated that Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant attended the ceremony. But the property has sat vacant ever since, remaining a stain on the King East streetscape.

Hamilton police have debated using it since 2011 but have turned their attention to vacant land on Wilson Street.

In December, the International Village BIA passed a motion asking the city to do something with it, whether it be tear it down to build a parkette or some other option. Farr has been working with the BIA and the city ever since.

The International Village BIA is "ecstatic" about next week's vote, said Susie Braithwaite, executive director.

"It's been something looming over our BIA for seven or eight years now," she said. "It's nice to see something finally being done."

As for what she'd like to see, she lists specialty shops, a market, a cinema - "anything as long as it's a good fit with our BIA."

Braithwaite has described the tavern as "a part of our history that we’d love to forget and move on from.”

The BIA's pressure move led to “a greater public conversation” that prompted interested parties to step forward, Farr said.

Farr plans to include a stipulation that the future buyer must start developing it within a year or it will revert back to the city.
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2014, 5:04 AM
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City council: Saying goodbye to a former crack den
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The city will rubber-stamp its decision Wednesday evening to put a former crack den on the market.

Councillors will vote to sell 193 King St. E., former home of the Sandbar tavern. The building has been a notorious site of criminal and drug activity.

There are buyers interested in turning the building around, said Coun. Jason Farr.

The general issues committee voted on April 16 to sell it. City council will finalize that decision at a meeting that starts at 5 p.m.

CBC Hamilton reporter Samantha Craggs will tweet live from the meeting. Follow her at @SamCraggsCBC or in the window below.
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Core Urban has to be interested. Seriously though..
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Another month or so and we should know if anyone will pick up on this offer. It seems like an odd way for the city to sell off property. I really had to dig to find the offer to sell, and what is with no set price? It doesn't sit well to just say "give me an offer" on what should be prime real estate.

The way that this is being offered on the down-low is causing a bit of concern. I certainly hope some sweetheart backroom deal isn't being arranged. I wonder if all the offers will be made publicly available. Perhaps any local media type who scan this forum can make some enquiries about how this sale is being conducted and report back to us.
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Two bidders vie for former Sandbar Tavern property

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/47...vern-property/

The city is weighing two redevelopment offers for the building that housed the infamous Sandbar Tavern.

Both purchase offers involve plans to "repurpose" rather than tear down the dilapidated former crack den at 193 King St. E. for commercial and residential development, said city real estate manager Bill Farkas.

Ward 2 Councillor Jason Farr said he was "encouraged" by the quality of the offers, but added he can't reveal any details while the city is reviewing the bids.

"We had a lot of showings, a lot of interest," he said.

Farkas said it will probably be September before a winning bid is announced.

But neighbours are already buzzing about the prospects for the notorious flophouse where two people were fatally beaten before the building was seized by the province and turned over to the city eight years ago.

"We're all pretty excited about something finally happening," said Melanie Amato, co-owner of Modify Your Closet on King Street East.

The property has been pitched unsuccessfully as an LRT stop, the portal to a failed $100-million condo, grocery store and medical centre development and, most recently, as a part of Hamilton police's planned new forensic lab.

The history of failure prompted some King Street businesses to ask the city to consider tearing down the deteriorating building to create a parkette — a controversial suggestion that ultimately helped spur the city to seek a buyer.

Destruction is not the first choice for businesses along the strip, Amato said.

"If it absolutely can't be salvaged, well, tear it down," she said of the building, which has been without heat for years. "But I think we all would like to see it reused, to preserve the streetscape. It's bad (inside), but the bones are there."

Amato added she was enthused about a proposal for a wine bar from the new owners of two neighbouring buildings.

Peter De Sotto and Mary Kennedy bought 189 and 191 King St. E. this spring and are planning to live in the renovated upper floors while sprucing up the retail storefronts.

Reached by phone, Kennedy confirmed the couple was interested in the Sandbar property, but added she believes they had been outbid.

Farkas said the city was seeking "fair market value" for the building, but is also requiring potential buyers to submit a development plan that must begin within a year of purchase.

If that doesn't happen, the city reserves the right to buy back the property.
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2014, 11:30 PM
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193 King Street East has sold. Peter De Sotto and Mary Kennedy, who were mentioned in the article above, are the ones that have bought the building...

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Hello Vintage Hamilton,
My husband and I recently bought 189 191 193 King St East Hamilton. The strip of buildings are currently being fast tracked as heritage buildings and we are thrilled of this. We were wondering if there are any old photos of that strip of property from your archives that we may be able to look at and use as references. We were given your Facebook page from David Premi and Jeff Feswick who we took threw our buildings the other day.

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And the parking lot behind it, where the CMFH building was proposed (see post #50 above), is for sale....

212 King William Street, Hamilton - $2,495,000



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Past reference from 1922....

According to the Vernons City of Hamilton book, Sterling Meats were on the main floor and a shoe store upstairs named 'Upstairs Shoe Store'.
https://archive.org/stream/vernonham.../n161/mode/2up
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More on this on The Spec site. Great news. Happy to see a private tax-paying enterprise buy the property, rather than yet another public property use (like a police bldg).

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/49...ormer-sandbar/
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I see that 191 King was just renovated and looks absolutely amazing. New huge storefront windows, flooring and exposed brick throughout.
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