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Old Posted Jul 15, 2008, 3:34 PM
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Durand: Buying 1880 Homes for Tear Down

I'm surprised this didn't get any visibility, or discussion, on the board.

I would have thought the city spending $600K+, to purchase two 120+ year old homes, only to demolish them for more grass would have had discussion.

July 11, 2008
Paul Wilson
The Hamilton Spectator
(Jul 11, 2008)
The city is trying to buy two houses on Carlton Street West. Both are handsome, both were built in the 1880s and, if purchased by the taxpayer, both will be flattened.

Both are surrounded by Durand Park, nearly a block in size, bounded by Charlton, Park and Herkimer.

Durand is the densest neighbourhood in the city. At the south end, it has many streets of fine old homes. At the north end, it has the thickest forest of highrises in Hamilton. There are 12,000 people in Durand -- and just that one park.

The city wants to buy the last two houses that jut into that solitary green space. It probably won't get them.

"I'm not selling to the city. These houses won't be levelled."

That's Louis Leonowens, proprietor of the long-established Deja Vu vintage clothing store downtown. He has lived at 85 Charlton West for 14 years.

His four-bedroom brick home still has most of the features it did 120 years ago: windows, trim, porcelain door knobs.

In the beginning, in the late 1800s, Rev. John Morton lived there. By the 1920s, an engineering inspector named McCallum. And by the 1940s, lawyer W. Bruce Duncan moved in and stayed on for decades.

In the early 1970s, the citizens of that part of town came together and formed the Durand Neighbourhood Association. They were out to stop the tsunami of highrises.

At that time, a developer was assembling land for an 18-storey tower. The city heard the DNA's pleas and expropriated the land. It became Durand Park.

There were still five houses on the site. Members of the community were divided about tearing them down. They had watched too many houses fall already.

They hoped a large residence at Park and Herkimer could become a "neighbourhood house." The city rejected the idea. That house came down, along with two more on Charlton.

That left the two still standing today.

Lawyer Duncan lived in one, and his neighbour next door at 83 Charlton was Mary Farmer, a single woman of great character who was the first manager of local history at the Hamilton library.

The city kept the two houses on a list for acquisition if the owners ever chose to sell.

The houses did become available in the mid-'90s, when both might have been bought for a total of $230,000.

Russell Elman, who wrote a book on the DNA's success in halting the highrises, remembers that by then the money once set aside to buy the houses was nowhere to be found.

Now it seems to be there again. Speaking only for himself, Elman believes buying the two houses today only makes sense if that land is needed as part of a master plan to make Durand a better park. "But not just for more grass," he says.

The city got out its offer after a For Sale sign went up at 83 Charlton West last month. Asking price, $370,000.

We weren't able to have a conversation with owner Delaney Gowling, but her late father fully restored the house.

When Louis Leonowens saw her sign, he tacked a For Sale sign to his tree, just to see what his house might be worth. He decided to ask about $330,000.

He has had a lot of interest. And a visit from the city, who made an opening offer of $265,000.

"I can sell for a lot more," Leonowens says. He isn't sure he wants to move anyway. "This place isn't for everyone, but I love it."

He was told the offer was conditional on the city getting both properties.

Bob Bratina, councillor for the ward, wouldn't talk about the in-camera negotiations, but favours the plan "even if we have to sacrifice properties of heritage interest. Durand is almost totally bereft of parkland."

The two houses, each with yards just 32 feet wide, would add less than a 1/4 acre to the park.

Besides, those houses make the street and the park more interesting. And the park never seems crowded.

At a time when the city is so strapped, spending more than $600,000 to buy and demolish two fine homes is tough to justify.

However Sarah Matthews, president of the DNA and a regular at the park with her kids and dogs, is firm on this one. "We need to enhance that space for all residents. While it might be regrettable that anything is taken down, it is for a greater cause."
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I think it's insane.
It won't add much space to the park and the homes are friggin beautiful. I went by last week to have a look.
Sometimes this neighbourhood association makes no sense.
They should be asking the city to demolish St Marks church and turn that site into a nice urban park instead of ruining two perfectly good HERITAGE homes.
Plus, adding a second park into the neighbourhood would be much more desirable instead of tacking on an extra 64 feet to an already good sized downtown park.
I agree with Sarah Matthews - it's regrettable that anything is being taken down.
Well, then at least take down the building with no buyer, no future and no hope of ever being fixed up. Don't take down two wonderful homes.

As a side note.....I hope mountain residents read this article....10 years ago both homes could have been bought for $230,000. Now they would cost between $600,000-$700,000.
That's right people - right downtown, values are soaring.
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I didn't know about this. No houses should be torn down in Durand, even the smaller houses are beautiful. Enough damage was done in the 60s and 70s when dozens of Victorian mansions were demolished for commie blocks.
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I don't know which houses they're targeting, but they must be similar to these "narrow" houses. Neighbourhoods with houses like these should be cherished and preserved:



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He means Charlton Ave W (said Carlton Ave W in the article?). There are two houses right in Durand Park...
HERE

See the two houses on the northern edge of the park (S/E corner)? Those two.
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Jesus. Are these the houses I think they are? If so, it's insane. How many houses in Durand were torn down already, about half of them?
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Oh man, this is a tough one. It's like the Sophie's Choice of urban planning. I think I'm leaning towards the idea that $600000 for 1/4 acre of land to add to a park that is already a decent size is just not worth it.

I realize that Durand is lacking in public open space, but surely there are some smaller parcels of land that are under utilized that could be bought and turned into green space. They do not build houses like these anymore. And they never will again, ever, for the entire remainder of the human race, we will never build houses like this again. Surely that counts for something.
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^^ There is a huge empty lot RIGHT across the street where the Thistle Club used to be. It was, of course, torn down for houses. Once they built their model homes on the site of another historic house they tore down and tries to sell them at a rediculous $450,000-$500,000 they (seem to) have abandoned their plans for the old Thisle Club site.

Buy THAT land of those property speculators and extend the park across the street. Just PLEASE don't tear down that beauty at Park & Charlton. Leave the two last houses in Durand Park there.
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dbl post... sorry
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I'm assuming this is one of the houses mentioned:

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Yep, these two homes: http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en...03304&t=h&z=18

You know, why would a city want homes nestled into a park setting. That just shouldn't be (sarcasm).........

After reading this in The Speck, I rode my bicycle past the park at 4pm on Sunday afternoon. It was beautiful and sunny and there were 2 kids (toddlers) in the park with their parents and 5 or 6 other people sitting on benches (that includes the guy smoking by a tree who gave me the creeps). Hardly, standing room only...............
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I'm assuming this is one of the houses mentioned:

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Yes that's one of them, the one restored to original.
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Letter to the Editor from today's Spec: http://thespec.com/Opinions/Letterto...article/402948
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here they are... one of them has a sold sign today...


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Well, if it's the city they are only interested in buying if they get the pair. Hopefully, it's someone who appreciates a nice home in a park setting, literally in a park setting.

BTW, IMO the park is nothing special in it's current form. Too much grass, not enough interesting space(s). It doesn't need to be enlarged to be better, what it needs is some interesting features.
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BTW, IMO the park is nothing special in it's current form. Too much grass, not enough interesting space(s). It doesn't need to be enlarged to be better, what it needs is some interesting features.
I agree. I lived kitty corner from the park in those clasic old apartment buildings for two years, and I never once set foot in the park. It's too small for a game of football or frisbee or what have you, and there's nothing very interesting about it.

The idea that Durand is starved for green space is a joke. This isn't Naples or Tokyo we're talking about here. People have spacious yards, and any number of parks are very close by. Have a look at the mansions in the Google Maps aerial shot linked to in this thread and you can see why nobody south of Aberdeen could be bothered to walk over to that park! In my two years there I never saw more than half a dozen people there at any one time.
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uh-oh. I'm worried if the one closest to the park has sold.
The city better not.....
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found this letter on the Durand Neighbourhood Association website. Sounds like they can't make up their mind - do they want to protect heritage homes or not???


November 22, 2007

City of Hamilton
Committee of Adjustment
Hamilton City Centre
4th Floor, Suite 400
77 James Street North
Hamilton, ON
L8R 2K3
Attention: Carol Connor, Secretary-Treasurer

Dear Ms. Connor:

RE: APPLICATION NO. HM/B-07: 131
41 INGLEWOOD DRIVE (Ward 2)
Applicant Antonio Gumiero

On behalf of the Durand Neighbourhood Association (hereinafter “DNA”), the Applicant’s request to sever the land on the premises municipally known as 41 Inglewood Drive, in the City of Hamilton, should be denied.

The Durand neighbourhood is the inner-city district bound by Main Street West, James Street South, the Escarpment and Queen Street South. The DNA was established in 1972 as a politically independent community organization and chartered as a not-for-profit provincial corporation. It is the DNA’s vision to be an active, resident-based voice that successfully addresses priority issues affecting the neighbourhood to nurture a vibrant downtown community.

Inglewood Drive is the southern most street in the Durand and the southern border of the inner-city. It abuts the Escarpment with grand, old, elevated homes that dominate the streetscape. It is a jewel in the crown of our downtown. It is a special area for the residents who reside in Durand. This is a streetscape that the DNA wants to maintain, preserve and protect.

In addition, the DNA supports the objecting neighbours and petitioners regarding the proposed severance.

The proposed severance would create engineering, environmental, and historic problems that are irreconcilable with the DNA vision. The DNA is intent on preserving the heritage and character of its landscape, streetscape and natural scenery. The proposed severance would compromise the Escarpment lands which it abuts. Severance of this property, and ultimately its development, would severely compromise the environment and the neighbourhood to which it belongs. This would not be consistent with a smart plan for intensification of our urban neighbourhood.

Please notify the DNA with your decision concerning the proposed severance.

In the meantime, please do not hesitate to contact the undersigned should you have any questions or concerns.

We look forward to hearing from you.

Respectfully yours,
DURAND NEIGHBOURHOOD ASSOCIATION



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uh-oh. I'm worried if the one closest to the park has sold.
The city better not.....
The city wants both, and as I understand it have put offers to owners so it might be conditional on getting the other. I hope not.

If the city does purchase it I will be writing to the mayor, and my councillor. Tearing down 120 year old homes for grass should not be permitted, period.
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according to RTH, the city is not involved in this deal anymore....they didn't get the house.
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