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Old Posted Jan 11, 2017, 10:17 PM
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This is actually pretty big news for Bronzeville.

Let's hope this is just the beginning
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2017, 11:27 PM
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we can argue about the architecture of prarie shores but i think its possible to have this conversation without using loaded, derogatory language when describing other chicago citizens. also not that it matters, but id guess that most of the people in those towers are middle class or students and want to see positive changes in the neighborhood just as much as anyone else.
Serious question: what are those towers? I'm not familiar with the area, but every time I drive by it seems odd to have identical looking towers.

Is it subsidized housing? Or just identical apartment buildings?
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2017, 11:41 PM
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prairie shores and lake meadows were massive urban renewal projects and originally operated as public housing but have since turned to market rate apartments

like so many other developments of the era, "towers in the park" was seen as a progressive modernist concept. obviously they havent aged very well as urban living preferences have continued to ironically shift back to the sorts of neighborhoods they replaced. this is what used to be there.


http://www.gapersblock.com/detour/ph...Place_1950.jpg


http://www.gapersblock.com/detour/ph...hodes_1941.jpg

that said, there was still an effort to save the towers when they were threatened with demo a few years back as they are now relatively affordable places to live and its likely anything that would replace them wouldnt be (and of course the pattern of eviction of lower class residents would conceivably be a continuation of the mistakes made once before. the fact some people now refer to it as "ghetto" is certainly an indication that those who dont learn from what history has to teach us are doomed to repeat it)

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Old Posted Jan 12, 2017, 12:13 AM
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Here is a story from today's LA Times. Interesting take from the city that won the museum.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...111-story.html
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2017, 12:58 AM
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Racine - Lincoln - Diversey

Surface lot on west side of Racine-Lincoln-Diversey set to see some development, nothing mindblowing, but nice infill for this very much underutilized 6 way intersection.



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Yes, let's keep convincing ourselves that Chicago didn't really miss out on anything. Not. At. All.
I don't think Chicago missed out on anything.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2017, 1:16 AM
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* Looks like that former bank I reported as being sold near the Western Blue Line stop across the street from the McDonald's (Milwaukee and Western - https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9169...8i6656!6m1!1e1) has plans for redevelopment into ground floor retail and 20 units ("4 dwelling units and 16 efficiency units").

* 927 W Irving Park Rd near the Sheridan Red Line stop, formerly a 1 story building but has been sitting vacant since 2015 has plans to become a 5 story, 28 unit building:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/92...dc94d4!6m1!1e1



Also, looks like 4 E Elm is getting a coffee shop - their first tenant. My money is on a La Colombe.
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Here is a story from today's LA Times. Interesting take from the city that won the museum.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...111-story.html
When did Blair Kamen start writing for the LA Times?
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2017, 3:42 AM
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Surface lot on west side of Racine-Lincoln-Diversey set to see some development, nothing mindblowing, but nice infill for this very much underutilized 6 way intersection.



Do you know how many units? Design is pretty ugly, but whatever. That last beige column looks awkward and unnecessary. Looks like it would just block the view from their balconies. I'll take some added population there though. They're trying to revitalize the strip of Lincoln between Webster and Diversey
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2017, 3:44 AM
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I'm not sure what is planned. I don't recall any information about this site.
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Prairie Shores and Lake Meadows were massive urban renewal projects and originally operated as public housing but have since turned to market rate apartments

No, they have always been market-rate rental buildings.
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I'm not sure what is planned. I don't recall any information about this site.
Hotel. Talked about a little here.

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Old Posted Jan 12, 2017, 1:05 PM
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Hotel. Talked about a little here.
Thanks, emathias.
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and you are still the definition of a person who sees no problem using a racist and classist pejorative.
Study did not use "ghetto" as a racist pejorative. It simply means a run-down, dilapidated, dangerous neighborhood, in need of help. If you believe "ghetto" refers to only black-americans or latinos, you should read up on the ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe or the White ghettos of South Africa. Or take a drive through rural Alabama. To most, the term is a non-trigger.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2017, 2:21 PM
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Hotel. Talked about a little here.
Do we have any idea how this is going to look or what flag it will be?
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Study did not use "ghetto" as a racist pejorative. It simply means a run-down, dilapidated, dangerous neighborhood, in need of help. If you believe "ghetto" refers to only black-americans or latinos, you should read up on the ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe or the White ghettos of South Africa. Or take a drive through rural Alabama. To most, the term is a non-trigger.
The perjorative use of the word "ghetto" is mostly an American one increasingly used in the second half of the 20th century especially in lyrical or emotional contexts. Whereas the term "slum" was usually used to describe a dilapidated and impoverished sector, "ghetto" can and is often applied to a sector who's real or perceived crime rate overshadows whether or not it is dilapidated and seems to be highly subjective from the perspective of race and socioeconomic status.

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The etymology of Italian ghetto was formerly the subject of much speculation, but today there is little doubt that the word comes from the Italian dialect form ghèto, meaning “foundry.” A foundry for cannons was once located on an island that forms part of Venice, where in 1516 the Venetians restricted Jewish residence. The word ghèto became the name for the area and was borrowed into standard Italian as ghetto, with the meaning of “section of a city where Jews are forced to live.” From there it passed into most other European languages. Since the late 19th century, the meaning of ghetto has been extended to crowded urban districts where other ethnic or racial groups have been confined by poverty or prejudice.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2017, 2:36 PM
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Study did not use "ghetto" as a racist pejorative. It simply means a run-down, dilapidated, dangerous neighborhood, in need of help. If you believe "ghetto" refers to only black-americans or latinos, you should read up on the ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe or the White ghettos of South Africa. Or take a drive through rural Alabama. To most, the term is a non-trigger.
in need of help by whom? run down by who's standards? we are talking about the late 20th/21st century American urban use of the term, which is loaded by any measure, especially by who happens to be wielding it.

my SO grew up in a neighborhood that some might refer to by that term. to her it was and remains simply home, and is inhabited by people with close bonds who care deeply about their community and take pride in their homes. if you dont understand why someone living there would find it offensive to have judgement cast by an outsider, whether due to culture or appearance or simply your ZIP code, then you are horribly out of touch and my criticism stands. of course everyones opinion suddenly changes as soon as there is a killing to be made on real estate speculation and then magically it becomes "up and coming" once its convenient to culturally appropriate what was once looked down upon to sell that most sought after authenticity

and i think its high time we retire "third world countries" from the lexicon too while we're at it too, but i digress

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Old Posted Jan 12, 2017, 3:03 PM
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There have been numerous SFH built in that general area in the last 5 or so years, and that is market rate for those - which have been selling. Here's some examples from the general area in that price range which have already been built and sold recently - mostly new construction, but some aren't:

http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...5_M80662-47679
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...3_M84707-87154
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...3_M76620-98593
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...3_M87723-48023
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...3_M75436-75835
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...3_M82168-61885
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...3_M76557-42320
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...3_M82049-00830
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...3_M72226-93175
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...5_M84975-84303
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...3_M86374-77623
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...3_M73945-46796

So is what they're going to build in Bronzeville area market rate for new single family homes? Yeah, actually it is. As I've posted numerous times before, the area has quietly seen more new construction SFH than most people realize over the last decade. There were 20 single family homes in this area that sold for over $400K between July and December 2016 with around 10 more between $300K and $399K.
study may want to revisit his thoughts on Bronzeville real estate.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2017, 3:49 PM
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They are the definition of ghetto.
Could you enlighten us with your definition of ghetto, as the term has multiple technical and colloquial definitions?
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