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The site plan status has been changed to "inactive". I haven't seen that status type used before. But it doesn't sound positive.

https://www.austintexas.gov/devrevie...erRSN=11586407
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The site plan status has been changed to "inactive". I haven't seen that status type used before. But it doesn't sound positive.

https://www.austintexas.gov/devrevie...erRSN=11586407
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I was wondering exactly what an "Inactive" site plan status means because the site plan status of the Marriott @ Cesar Chavez was changed to that as well today. I can see this project going inactive because of a temporary glut in high end rentals. But the Marriott is the only big project that hasn't already broken ground that I thought would start this cycle.

Anyway, here's a list of the site plan status types and their meanings. Below the list is a link to probably more than most folks want to know about the city's permit process.

The only "Inactive" status type listed means that a revision to the site plan is coming. That's definitely the case for 48 East since it was recently shortened by a few floors. But apparently there is now a revision coming for the Marriott as well.


https://www.austintexas.gov/sites/de...elp_Manual.pdf
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That's a good find, thanks for that. Interesting to see how not particularly descriptive "inactive" is without more info.

From talking with my White Lodging friends this week, that Marriott is positively, definitely happening. Spring 2019 tentative opening date. Again, they're already selling it, in combo with the JW for larger groups.
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That's a good find, thanks for that. Interesting to see how not particularly descriptive "inactive" is without more info.

From talking with my White Lodging friends this week, that Marriott is positively, definitely happening. Spring 2019 tentative opening date. Again, they're already selling it, in combo with the JW for larger groups.
Interesting. Did your friends mention if it will it me a "mainline" Marriott or something a little more upscale like a Marriott Marquis? White Lodging switched up the JW a couple of times before finally landing on the JW "brand."
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Interesting. Did your friends mention if it will it me a "mainline" Marriott or something a little more upscale like a Marriott Marquis? White Lodging switched up the JW a couple of times before finally landing on the JW "brand."
Nope it's literally called the Austin Marriott, so a pretty standard mid range product (which is actually underrepresented here). From talking with my friends, it's pretty clear that White Lodging's strategy is to be able to bid for complete convention center blocks (in concert with their Hyatt Place, Westin, Courtyard, etc) and potentially freezing out the two connected hotels, the Hilton and Fairmont. It's a ballsy play, especially if you understand convention and large group markets. It's even better if ACC expands because they could potentially share all the business generated by the expansion while Fairmont/Hilton splits business from the older side.

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Nope it's literally called the Austin Marriott, so a pretty standard mid range product (which is actually underrepresented here). From talking with my friends, it's pretty clear that White Lodging's strategy is to be able to bid for complete convention center blocks (in concert with their Hyatt Place, Westin, Courtyard, etc) and potentially freezing out the two connected hotels, the Hilton and Fairmont. It's a ballsy play, especially if you understand convention and large group markets. It's even better if ACC expands because they could potentially share all the business generated by the expansion while Fairmont/Hilton splits business from the older side.

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Keep hammering on the Westin about their lack of appropriate sound proofing. I'm not a fan of one corporation having a total monopoly in the market. I especially don't like that corporation sueing local music venues when they knew where they were building.


But back on topic...

I'd really like to see 48 East built. It's location plus point tower design would make a perfect bookend to the east-west view of the skyline. With 70 Rainey and hopefully that other tower that I can't remember the name of, the Rainey Street District is going to have a pretty nice mini skyline on it's own. The east end of DT is going to have to play catch up if we are going to see the kind of density that's going on in the west end. I have about 5% optimism that we will see Waller Park Place or any of those other proposals happen in their current form, or anything built at all for that matter on those sites before 2020.
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I have about 5% optimism that we will see Waller Park Place or any of those other proposals happen in their current form, or anything built at all for that matter on those sites before 2020.
Great place for an observation tower.
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Great place for an observation tower.
Hmm. I've never considered this location for that. I always thought an observation tower/restaurant would fit in well across the river, but it certainly could do well here also. It seems to me that most observation towers tie into some sort of development that naturally draws lots of crowds (event center, convention center, park, major hotel, etc.), so either location could feasibly do well, but maybe the north side would better than south of the river...especially because in the future it would have access to Waller Creek Park, the convention center, a heck of a lot of hotel rooms, and the hike and bike trail, among other things.
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An observation tower on Riverside on the triangle lot where Hooters is. Right next door to the Long Center, Statesman site, Congress bridge, etc.
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An observation tower on Riverside on the triangle lot where Hooters is. Right next door to the Long Center, Statesman site, Congress bridge, etc.
Yeah, that's what I've often thought as well.
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This project is still working on getting their density bonus. The Design Commission takes it up Monday 01/23. The backup file has a lot of minutia.

http://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=269881
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This may have had another change in height. Based on permit filings it was originally 370'/33 floors; then 31 floors. But a couple different documents shown to the design commission and dated this week show it as 350'/33 floors. Here's the link to one of them:

http://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=270027
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The new renderings show the 31-story version along with an architectural downgrade. But this and 70 Rainey will fill in a couple gaps in the skyline smile.




http://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=269992
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It's not as unique as the original rendering but still looks like a very cool building. A lot is going on with this design and I think the caged-crown will set it apart. I wonder if that will be a common area. While I think the jagged window pattern down the side is very cool, it'll be interesting to see if it sticks considering the opportunity cost of not maximizing views (not that they'd be all that great facing east anyway).
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This one is certainly, most definitely, undeniably, certifiably, and unashamefully.....meh.
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I actually like this design better than the old. Austin is getting too many glass towers and a change up is nice to see.
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ALL OF OUR NEW BUILDINGS ARE 31* STORIES TALL.

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*unless they're 33 stories.
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Backup pdf for this says 350 feet as mentioned above, and this also includes two elevations showing the heights. The highest height on the mechanical penthouse is 357 feet 9 inches with 33 floors.

http://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=269994
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