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Old Posted Apr 15, 2018, 4:50 AM
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HERE'S ODINTHOR'S MAP AGAIN SINCE THIS POST STARTED A NEW PAGE.

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http://wesclark.com/burbank/city_of_burbank.html

Your map is a good starting point odinthor. Thanks so much!

The 1976 article says the tract included "an overseer's house and numerous barns as well as the little wood cottage itself."
I would think the 'house' drawn on the map represents the overseer's house.
Unfortunately, without a photograph there's no way of knowing where, exactly, the shepherd's cottage was located.
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I just noticed the 'Scott Tract', next to Rancho Providencia, was owned by D. Burbank.

"Dr. David Burbank's ranch house built in 1867. It stood on what is now the back lot of Warner Brothers studio."


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So was Burbank's Scott Tract originally part of Rancho Providencia?

and why isn't Burbank's house on the map?
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I obviously need to go back and reread the information again. I jumped the gun with this post.

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That map is a good starting point odinthor. Thanks so much!

The article says the tract included "an overseer's house and numerous barns as well as the little wood cottage itself."
I would think the 'house' drawn on the map represents the overseer's house.
Unfortunately, without a photograph there's no way of knowing where, exactly, the shepherd's cottage was located.
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I just noticed the 'Scott Tract' (owned by D. Burbank) on odinthor's map.
(would it be correct to say the 'Scott Tract' was originally part of Rancho Providencia?

Dr. David Burbank's ranch house built in 1867.


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It stood on what is now the back lot of Warner Brothers studio.
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I need to go back and reread the information again
You'll want to take some aspirin first, e_r! The data swirls and swirls around with the data on Rancho Encino. For instance, this article--at least, to my feeble mind--seems to conflate Ranchos Encino and Providencia:


LA Times via ProQuest via CSULB Library

I believe that Rancho Providencia is only that almost-a-square parcel (the L.A. River makes the one wavy side); the Scott Tract methinks is on Rancho San Rafael land.

Just to have it on hand: The current address for the structures pertaining to Rancho [el] Encino is 16756 Moorpark St. in Encino, about which:

https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/ca/ca15.htm

Rancho Providencia is of extra interest as being essentially where the 2nd Battle of Cahuenga was "fought" (="shooting cannon at each other from too great a distance, probably intentionally"), the one which ended Governor Micheltorena's term. It's a commonplace of discussions of Rancho Providencia that cannonballs are occasionally dug up; but I wonder when is the last time that happened?
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2018, 5:52 AM
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Oh my, I don't think we'll ever find out what happened to the Shepherd's cottage.

I hate to say it, but it was probably torn down after the elderly man living there in 1976 passed on.

...and remember, the article said the cottage was in someone's backyard. I don't think any of that bodes well for the 1843 structure..

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As many of you already know, the new owner of the Los Angeles Times announced on Friday the 13th that he intends to move the business out of the historic building they've occupied for decades. The new home for the Times will be a yet-to-be-built campus in El Segundo, of all places.

Times staff writer Ben Welsh posted this wistful message on Twitter: "The @latimes is set to vacate its historic downtown headquarters. I'll always cherish my memories exploring its many corners, which are at times ornate, eccentric, industrial and abandoned. And, like all great Art Deco, an inspiring blend of the archaic and the futuristic."

He also tweeted a fascinating series of photos of the building. Some of the photos show beautiful art deco details that I never knew existed.







The lobby is also impressive. The globe is motorized and is supposed to rotate, although Welsh says it's currently broken.







Not all of the photos Welsh shared are as alluring as these, but the entire thread is well worth a read. Here's a link if you're inclined to view it.

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Times Building would be a great site for a Newspaper Museum...
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The Garden of Allah Hotel as seen from Sunset Blvd, circa late 1940s

This circa late 1940s photo gives us a pretty good idea of what the front entrance of the Garden of Allah Hotel looked like from the north side of Sunset Blvd. The car in the lower right corner looks like a Studebaker Starlight coupe, which was introduced in 1947, so this photo is probably late 1940s or perhaps early 1950s. In fact, this photo could have been taken at virtually any time because it didn’t change all that much. That bungalow on the right is where the Chase bank building is now. F. Scott Fitzgerald stayed there when he moved to Hollywood in 1937.

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Need I even say what a post that was, Scott Charles. I learned a couple interesting things on the Esotouric tour that I'll share with the group.

For example, when you look out the window of the Bryson, you'd think there was a Mobil station next door:




However, remember the scene when Buk is writing "Old Man, Dead in a Room" and Wanda says (paraphrasing here) get me an ambulance, I'm dying, I know I'm dying, because I saw and angel with glowing flapping wings what she's in fact referencing is the animated neon sign outside her window. I had figured it was just alcohol hallucinosis at work, but no, the production designer went to great lengths to rent the sign from some prop house and erect it on the adjacent lot.

Also, of the corn,



the prop master told a funny story about how they had built the corn field, out of stakes and leaves and then nailed corn from the supermarket onto the stakes, and it had to look real when she yanked an ear off the plant, so he was on his back on the ground holding the stake tight, and had to go out of his way to not look up her skirt!
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2018, 8:21 PM
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Need I even say what a post that was, Scott Charles. I learned a couple interesting things on the Esotouric tour that I'll share with the group.

For example, when you look out the window of the Bryson, you'd think there was a Mobil station next door:

However, remember the scene when Buk is writing "Old Man, Dead in a Room" and Wanda says (paraphrasing here) get me an ambulance, I'm dying, I know I'm dying, because I saw and angel with glowing flapping wings what she's in fact referencing is the animated neon sign outside her window. I had figured it was just alcohol hallucinosis at work, but no, the production designer went to great lengths to rent the sign from some prop house and erect it on the adjacent lot.
Glad you liked my post, Beaudry!

I knew that the Mobil pegasus was added for the movie, but never made the connection between it and Wanda's comment about the angel - fascinating!

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Also, of the corn, the prop master told a funny story about how they had built the corn field, out of stakes and leaves and then nailed corn from the supermarket onto the stakes, and it had to look real when she yanked an ear off the plant, so he was on his back on the ground holding the stake tight, and had to go out of his way to not look up her skirt!
That's hysterical!
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This circa late 1940s photo gives us a pretty good idea of what the front entrance of the Garden of Allah Hotel looked like from the north side of Sunset Blvd. The car in the lower right corner looks like a Studebaker Starlight coupe, which was introduced in 1947, so this photo is probably late 1940s or perhaps early 1950s. In fact, this photo could have been taken at virtually any time because it didn’t change all that much. That bungalow on the right is where the Chase bank building is now. F. Scott Fitzgerald stayed there when he moved to Hollywood in 1937.

And on the exact same physical location as the Garden of Allah...



By the way, I found some fantastic photos of the old model of the Garden of Allah, and was going to post them here... then I looked at the banner at the top of the website...



... so I guess you've already seen them, Martin! I'm going to have to give one of your novels a read, they sound right up my alley.

Well, here's another website with some (sadly, quite small) pictures of the model - including a few with the built-in lights turned on.







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Old Posted Apr 16, 2018, 2:15 AM
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Los Angeles Times Building

"I'll always cherish my memories exploring its many corners, which are at times ornate, eccentric, industrial and abandoned.
And, like all great Art Deco, an inspiring blend of the archaic and the futuristic."
-BEN WELSH

This is such a great quote Handsome Stranger. Thanks for posting it.


And as most of you know, this is the eagle you see on the roof in the iconic bombing photograph(s) from 1910.


Ben Welsh / twitter





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more bombing photographs at USC

and at LAPL
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Girls on Spring Walk

When I first saw these two snapshots of Sycamore Grove I was a bit confused because the Sycamore Grove I know is FLAT!


"Vintage Photo Sycamore Grove Highland Park Los Angeles Ca Birdseye Country View"

#1

EBAY




reverse






No watermark on this second one! (the seller gives the date as 1917)

#2

EBAY




reverse

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I believe the girls hiked east to, what is now, Ernest E. Debs Regional Park. (before the 110 divided the two areas)


google earth





If you look closely at photo #1...you can see, what I believe is, the north end of Sycamore Grove far below (as well as a rather large house)


detail



If I'm correct, the house above.... is either house #1 or house #2. [shown below]


detail

...but I can't decide which one.
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So do you guys agree the girls are east of the present day 110? (or am I looking at the photographs ass-backwards)

If I am correct, who owned the land where the girls are hiking? (now Ernest E. Debs Regional Park)

Was it ever a part of Sycamore Grove? (before the highway of course)

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Any one here visit Santee Alley or surrounding areas - LA Fashion District?

You should. Real LA, not the past or television or movies.



URL:https://www.paesionline.it/stati_uni...shion-district

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"I'll always cherish my memories exploring its many corners, which are at times ornate, eccentric, industrial and abandoned.
And, like all great Art Deco, an inspiring blend of the archaic and the futuristic."
-BEN WELSH

This is such a great quote Handsome Stranger. Thanks for posting it.


And as most of you know, this is the eagle you see on the roof in the iconic bombing photograph(s) from 1910.


Ben Welsh / twitter





murderpedia

more bombing photographs at USC

and at LAPL
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I thought the eagle that survived the bombing was placed at the workers' memorial at Hollywood Forever? https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...memorial/photo

Or is that a replica and the real deal is the one in the Times' museum space?
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Any one here visit Santee Alley or surrounding areas - LA Fashion District?

You should. Real LA, not the past or television or movies.



URL:https://www.paesionline.it/stati_uni...shion-district

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I've gone to Santee Alley many times. The first time I went was with a girlfriend who liked to shop there, and in surrounding areas like the Cooper Building. HossC posted about the Cooper Building here.

Santee Alley was really something back then (early/mid 80s). Sooooo many counterfeit goods. Bottles of name brand colognes and perfumes, for pennies on the dollar. Tons of counterfeit bags, like Gucci, etc. And all sorts of fake watches, like Rolex and TAG Heuer, real luxury stuff like that. And of course, cartons of illegally imported cigarettes without their legally-required, state excise stamp:

LINK

I confess, I bought a bunch of that stuff. Cigarettes, at something like half the price, were a no-brainer. I bought a bottle of my usual cologne (I believe I wore Chanel Antaeus at the time), and for what it's worth, I couldn't tell the difference between the real thing and the counterfeit. Nor could my then-girlfriend, who had a much better sense of smell than I have. She bought a couple of bottles of perfume, too, though I cannot remember what kind she wore.

I also bought, over the course of several years, three different "Rolex" wristwatches, a Submariner, a Datejust, and a Yacht Master.

I lost the Yacht Master at some point (thank GOD I didn't lose a genuine Rolex!!), but I still have the Submariner and the Datejust, and they still run perfectly. Back then it was MUCH easier to find counterfeit watches - I bought the Datejust on the Venice boardwalk (they used to have counterfeit goods, too), I bought the Yacht Master in Santee Alley, and I bought the Submariner on the southeast corner of 50th and Lexington in Manhattan out of a suitcase.

I'm not sure I'd buy counterfeit goods nowadays, but please do cut me a little slack - I was about 18 or 19 at the time.

I also went to Santee Alley quite a bit in the 90s. My buddy and I would bring our girlfriends down there and go shopping. That is, the girls would go shopping and we'd sit around smoking cigarettes and eating “Alley Dogs”, each of which is probably equally healthy for a person to consume.

GSV

Then one day, maybe early 90s(?), the city cracked down on Santee Alley. It was on all the local news broadcasts. Some sort of state or federal entity raided the place, seizing all of the counterfeit goods. It was a big story. And after that, there were no more counterfeits to be found (nor on the Venice boardwalk).

I went to the Original Tommy's last month, and while there, a guy told me you can still buy illegally imported cigarettes in the building at the northeast corner of Alvarado and Sixth. "Just walk in the front door, then the third door on the right" he told me, or something like that. I didn't go.

Beyond that, I've also spent a lot of time in the Fashion District in general. I always enjoy seeing people push around the bolts of fabric.
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I thought the eagle that survived the bombing was placed at the workers' memorial at Hollywood Forever? https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...memorial/photo

Or is that a replica and the real deal is the one in the Times' museum space?
I looked at the Find A Grave link and that bird looks nothing like the one at The Times, which seems to match the one in old photos of the bombing. The biggest difference is that the one in the cemetery does not have outstretched wings, but aside from that it seems to be just a completely different design in every way.
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I'm not sure I'd buy counterfeit goods nowadays, but please do cut me a little slack - I was about 18 or 19 at the time.
There was a story on the local news(channel 4) about Santee Alley and counterfeit goods last week. Seems they're adding some pretty shitty* stuff to cosmetics.

*Literally shit.
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There was a story on the local news(channel 4) about Santee Alley and counterfeit goods last week. Seems they're adding some pretty shitty* stuff to cosmetics.

*Literally shit.
Really? I thought they'd wiped out that whole counterfeit thing years ago. Maybe the vendors started selling counterfeit again after the “heat died down”?

(I'll stay away from those cosmetics)
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As many of you already know, the new owner of the Los Angeles Times announced on Friday the 13th that he intends to move the business out of the historic building they've occupied for decades. The new home for the Times will be a yet-to-be-built campus in El Segundo, of all places.

Times staff writer Ben Welsh posted this wistful message on Twitter: "The @latimes is set to vacate its historic downtown headquarters. I'll always cherish my memories exploring its many corners, which are at times ornate, eccentric, industrial and abandoned. And, like all great Art Deco, an inspiring blend of the archaic and the futuristic."

He also tweeted a fascinating series of photos of the building. Some of the photos show beautiful art deco details that I never knew existed.







The lobby is also impressive. The globe is motorized and is supposed to rotate, although Welsh says it's currently broken.







Not all of the photos Welsh shared are as alluring as these, but the entire thread is well worth a read. Here's a link if you're inclined to view it.

[image source: Twitter]
The murals in the Times lobby were done by Hugo Ballin, whose work we discussed recently in regards to the Post Office in Burbank. His work is also seen in the Griffith Observatory rotunda.

There once was an eagle on the paper's masthead as well but he was sitting with his wings folded. This was in 1920 and to the right side of the masthead was a picture of the building with the eagle with his wings spread.
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Scott Charles wrote:

"Then one day, maybe early 90s(?), the city cracked down on Santee Alley. It was on all the local news broadcasts. Some sort of state or federal entity raided the place, seizing all of the counterfeit goods. It was a big story....

I went to the Original Tommy's last month...."

Lots of gals with armfuls of Coach and Gucci bags offering them for sale, and guys offering Gucci, Prada, Burberry, etc. if you went with them. Some what appeared to be bootlegged CDs. But also, lots of other legit stuff.

Original Tommy's - Beverly and Rampart. I spent lots of late nights there. Another True LA place.
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There once was an eagle on the paper's masthead as well but he was sitting with his wings folded. This was in 1920 and to the right side of the masthead was a picture of the building with the eagle with his wings spread.
Here are three different vintage LA Times mastheads. The first shows the eagle with folded wings that oldstuff mentioned. It looks like their own building was used behind the name for a long time (bottom image), but in 1928 it was replaced by the newly-completed City Hall.
NB. All images have been cropped from full page scans and cleaned up for clarity.


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