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Old Posted Jan 26, 2009, 11:48 PM
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I didn't say that those things weren't a problem at all here, but they are much less drastic and dire of a problem. There is nothing wrong with kids playing in the city, but if my sister wants to raise here six kids, (which she every right to have that many, this isn't China) and wants to have a larger home and a larger yard for them to play in, so that she can watch them out her kitchen or family window, that has NOTHING to do with status of feeling inferior. It is simply a life style choice.

I choose to live in SLC while commuting to southern UT county. Why? because I like the amenities that living in the city OfferS, not because it's prestigious or because I feel superior for being there, or because I'm trying to keep up with someone else. SIMPLY A LIFESTYLE CHOICE.

Yes some people are attempting to keep up with the Jones' (I'm sorry should I refer to a particular Jones family or do we all know who we are talking about when I use that general Jones' reference) and have to buy the house, but to say that is why everyone lives in the suburbs is ABSURD.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2009, 11:56 PM
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...Yes some people are attempting to keep up with the Jones' (I'm sorry should I refer to a particular Jones family or do we all know who we are talking about when I use that general Jones' reference)...
You smart alec! (a person regarded as obnoxiously self-assertive and an impudent person. Not the 1951 pornographic film; wouldn't want anyone to be confused!)
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2009, 12:06 AM
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I saw this article from the Examiner last week and thought I'd share it here.
(I've posted the whole thing because it is unavailable online to non-subscribers)



UTA, clean air on the line
Officials: Free or reduced fares just not realistic given the economy
By MITCH SHAW
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LAYTON — The idea of FrontRunner clearing the air for free doesn’t look too hopeful.
As a thick inversion continues to blanket much of the Top of Utah, air-quality experts say more people using mass transit can help make the air cleaner, but what about a little incentive?
The idea for a free or reduced public transit fare on red air-alert days has been discussed at length in transportation circles over the last year, but the idea doesn’t appear to be gaining much traction.
“It’s not completely off the table,” said Utah Transit Authority spokeswoman Carrie Bohnsack-Ware. “It’s just, right now, it’s not very realistic.”
Red-air status is declared when air particles pass 35 micrograms per cubic meter.
In March 2008, the Environmental Protection Agency announced that the allowable amount of ozone — or smog — in the air had been reduced from 80 parts per billion to 75 parts per billion.
According to the Utah Division of Air Quality, Utah typically sees about 50 red air-alert days every year. UDAQ projects those days in advance, similar to the accuracy and timing of a weather forecast.
Bohnsack-Ware said tough economic times, fluctuating fuel prices and the additional staffing free fare days would require all make the idea “economically unfeasible.”
“It’s not something UTA can afford right now,” she said.
“It’s hard because we are trying to provide as much service as we can. If we had days where people rode for free, we’d need more staff, but we wouldn’t be getting any additional revenue to pay them.”
UTA began using a new electronic fare system Jan. 1, but hasn’t released any ridership figures for the month. Bohnsack-Ware said it appears ridership has increased on red air days.
“Our managers have noticed more people on days when the air is bad,” she said. “But we can’t quantify it yet.”
Bryce Bird, planning branch manager with UDAQ, said it’s a good idea for commuters to use public transit on red air days. Nearly half of the particulate matter 2.5 microns or larger comes from vehicle exhaust.
On red air-alert days, the elderly, small children and people with heart or respiratory problems can be affected.
When the air reaches 80 micrograms per cubic meter, even healthy people are advised to limit outdoor activity. Particulates are the highest during winter, and ozone is at its worst during summer.
Ogden Regional Medical Center spokesman Craig Bielik said officials there haven’t seen any increase in patients with respiratory problems.
It’s the same story at McKay-Dee Hospital Center in Ogden, said spokesman Chris Dallin.
Camilo Torres, a doctor in the McKay-Dee emergency room, advises those with such respiratory problems as emphysema and asthma, and children with respiratory syncytial virus, to stay indoors and avoid outside exercise.
People who smoke should also cut back in these conditions, he said.
Davis Hospital and Medical Center spokeswoman Lora Kier said the Layton hospital has seen an increase in patients complaining of asthma, wheezing and shortness of breath.
According to the American Lung Association, in Utah, the Salt Lake City/Ogden area and Logan are on its list of the Top 10 metropolitan areas most polluted by short-term particle pollution.
Utah is second only to California, which has five cities in the Top 10. The Provo/Orem area was ranked 12th overall.
As good as it may sound to say that they offer free rides on red-air days, I don't see that it would make much of a difference. If people were willing to sacrifice and ride the train in the name of air quality, they'd be doing it already. I just don't see a lot of people riding just because its free.

I'm not saying that increased mass-transit use won't help improve air quality, because I think that it will, just that I think most of the people driving to work aren't doing so only because the train is too expensive. They're driving because its more convienent and they don't care enough about air quality to change their behavior.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2009, 12:19 AM
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More people would be wanting to ride it, especially on free-days had the Legacy Parkway not been built. Mass transit should be in the lead as far a infrastructure financing goes. Or else it's not as feasible. This is another reason why I don't think the freeway in Utah County should be widened. It would give people less incentive to ride the more efficient and cleaner train.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2009, 12:37 AM
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You smart alec! (a person regarded as obnoxiously self-assertive and an impudent person. Not the 1951 pornographic film; wouldn't want anyone to be confused!)
So you caught that huh?
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2009, 6:01 PM
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In regards to the recent airport renderings:

It looks as if one of the terminals is detached from the rest of the airport. The Atlanta airport is set out like this and it has an underground tram that connects them. Is this something they were/are planning on doing?
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2009, 6:07 PM
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Yes that is exactly what they are planning to do. If I'm not mistaken they are also leaving room for the expansion to a third terminal further north. This type of set up seems to make it easier to add terminals and still connect them.

If I'm not mistaken DIA (denver) has the same set up.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2009, 6:47 PM
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Atlanta and Denver are the two airports that I know of who have that kind of setup. I've been to both those airports and they are set up nice. I really hope Salt Lake gets moving soon with the new airport plans.
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The United terminal at ORD is the same, but they have an underground walkway instead of a train. Dulles is the same too, but they use buses above ground.
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That analogy didn't quite work for me... It would make much more sense if you had compared Salt Lake to the heart muscle, which needs to be strongest of all... suburbs can be attributed to the different muscle groups, which need to be strong respectively, but well balanced so as not to cause injury to the surrounding "muscles"... If Salt Lake as the heart muscle isn't the strongest, it cannot fulfill its role of supporting all of the other muscles and the whole body (Wasatch front) fails.
Well, it's true that the smaller muscle can't steel nurishment from the larger, more important ones, but they do need to be developed. If SLC is the heart, and Sandy the chest, then it would not makes sense to strengthen the chest without strengthening the heart. So it is true that SLC needs to maintain its status quo, but not at the expense of Sandy developing its own urban center (I wouldn't really call it a down town). I would be willing to sacrifice the theater and trim down the floor counts on the buildings by several stories, but I don't see why this development can't still go forward with the support of SLC residents.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2009, 10:57 PM
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There are quite a few airports with similar setups, like Cincinnati which also has island concourses connected via an underground tram, and Orlando, with above ground trams.
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The United terminal at ORD is the same, but they have an underground walkway instead of a train. Dulles is the same too, but they use buses above ground.
Dulles (IAD) also has a moving walkway connecting the Main Terminal with Concourses A /B; directly with B. (A and B are connect above grade.)

Late this year or early 2010, a new underground rail system, similar to DIA, will be in operation. (The construction of this rail has created a fine mess with the security screaning lines in the Main Terminal.)

The buses at IAD will still be in use for international arrivals.

The "midfield" concourse concept is popular across the Country. Other airport master plans have some similar concepts. I find it to be more managable in terms of crowd and ground traffic control. I guess the only problem is when one's connecting flight is two concourses away.

(Anyone else thought of Atlanta Hartsfield due to my last sentence?)
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2009, 12:43 AM
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I think most airports are going this way, look at Phoenix which is arguable one of the newer big airports--it is the same sort of concept, but rather than having an underground connection to the terminals, they have just put it on the far side and connected the terminals all above ground.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2009, 12:55 AM
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I think most airports are going this way, look at Phoenix which is arguable one of the newer big airports--it is the same sort of concept, but rather than having an underground connection to the terminals, they have just put it on the far side and connected the terminals all above ground.
One thing that I absolutely HATE about Sky Harbor is that all the terminals don't connect. If you book a flight on US Air or SouthWest and connect to another flight on either of those airlines you are ok, but if you come in or connect to another carrier you have to leave security and go back through in order to catch your connector, it is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. They have done so money improvements to that airport since 9/11 but they have never connected the other terminals. I avoid any connectors in Phoenix if at all possible.
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One thing that I absolutely HATE about Sky Harbor is that all the terminals don't connect. If you book a flight on US Air or SouthWest and connect to another flight on either of those airlines you are ok, but if you come in or connect to another carrier you have to leave security and go back through in order to catch your connector, it is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. They have done so money improvements to that airport since 9/11 but they have never connected the other terminals. I avoid any connectors in Phoenix if at all possible.
I agree. I have flown in and out of PHX a couple of times. I wanted to see the other terminals, but was limited to how much I can see due to the lack of connectivity. JFK is the same.

However, I may be able to see more in the future:
http://phoenix.gov/skyharborairport/...ted-train.html
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haha sorry, yeah i was referring more towards just terminal 4 with its bays.
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They had porn in 1951?

EWE!

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Huntsman's decision to fund transportation projects surprises lawmakers

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705280708,00.html

Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. surprised the Legislature's GOP majority Tuesday by announcing during his State of the State speech that he is reinstating road projects put on hold because of the budget shortfall...

...But no one expected him to say the next line: "After working with legislative leaders on nearing a solution for the current budget, tonight I am directing the Utah Department of Transportation to reinstate major road projects that were delayed in November."
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