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Old Posted Jun 29, 2017, 5:12 PM
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Less than 80,000 commuters use the AMT's 6 train lines every morning. You can't compare that to GO.

I'm for the gradual phasing out of ALL commuter train lines eventually - replaced by buses or REM.
It's actually 83,100 now if you look at the Rapport annuel 2016 from the AMT.

There has to be the phasing out of a commuter rail line ONLY if it is transformed into REM (by some divine miracle, since the only trackage the AMT owned was Deux-Montagnes). Shutting down a commuter rail line with a burgeoning ridership is unacceptable if it is replaced by bus service. It would be back to square one.

Just look at how much the Saint-Jerome line ridership has grown since the added departures. It's nearly as busy as the VH line now... Let's not give up on our commuter rail just because one line will be converted into rapid transit and another will see a small decrease in ridership due to the arrival of the REM in the West Island. It's still top 10 in the continent for ridership.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2017, 6:25 PM
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Is the plan to build the Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue REM station where the current AMT station is? If so, they should consider extending the line through Ile Perrot to at least Dorion. Having a terminus at a village town centre doesn't seem like a good idea - especially if the terminus is supposed to serve feeder buses and a park-and-ride. Also, every time I've driven it, the A-20 through Ile Perrot was a major choke point. It might cost quite a bit of money to upgrade the two rail bridges, but it would really enhance commuting for people coming from the west.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2017, 6:29 PM
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My concern is that REM is not going beyond the West Island and would there not be potential congestion issues at the couple of road crossing onto the island? So, why would we want to cancel commuter service that has its own right of way onto the island? By all means, get rid of it once REM has its own crossing to Vaudreuil, but to force people onto buses that may be held up in regular traffic? How is this beneficial to commuters and how does it have a positive affect on ridership? As others have pointed out, people have very limited tolerance towards additional transfers.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2017, 6:38 PM
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Is the plan to build the Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue REM station where the current AMT station is? If so, they should consider extending the line through Ile Perrot to at least Dorion. Having a terminus at a village town centre doesn't seem like a good idea - especially if the terminus is supposed to serve feeder buses and a park-and-ride. Also, every time I've driven it, the A-20 through Ile Perrot was a major choke point. It might cost quite a bit of money to upgrade the two rail bridges, but it would really enhance commuting for people coming from the west.
No, the REM station is about 3,7 km from the VH station. It's located along the A-40 (near a residential area and a future low density development) while the commuter rail station is in the town center.

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My concern is that REM is not going beyond the West Island and would there not be potential congestion issues at the couple of road crossing onto the island? So, why would we want to cancel commuter service that has its own right of way onto the island? By all means, get rid of it once REM has its own crossing to Vaudreuil, but to force people onto buses that may be held up in regular traffic? How is this beneficial to commuters and how does it have a positive affect on ridership? As others have pointed out, people have very limited tolerance towards additional transfers.
Nobody is talking about shutting down the VH line, except opposants to the project. In reality, ridership will drop but not significatively IMO since the Vaudreuil-Hudson user pool is very well established along the A-20. Why would you drive to the REM station instead of walking to your nearby commuter rail station if Downtown is your destination?

The users that will transfer from VH to the REM are mostly the ones going to McGill or Université de Montréal (right now, VH users have to get off at Vendome to take the Metro and transfer to get to either of the two universities), and that's quite alright as their travel times will be significantly reduced (for UdeM people from Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue, I calculated it goes from an hour *excluding transfer time* to 30 minutes). The 9 to 5 downtown commuters will keep their routine.

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The drop in peak demand caused by REM sounds like a good opportunity to change the rolling stock on the VH line from bulky locomotive/coach consists that can carry huge loads during peak but are uneconomic off-peak, to fuel efficient hybrid DMUs similar to the Pearson UPX that can run economically throughout the day. At peak they could combine two married pairs consisting of 3-4 cars each for a total of 6-8 per train and run them every 20-30 minutes, and off peak run a single 3-4 car set every 30-60 min. Only every other train would venture out to Hudson.

With the smaller trains it might even be possible to have a few trips to Rigaud again.
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The Province of Alberta has today officially announced it's share of the funding for Phase 1 of the Green Line in Calgary. All three orders of government have now confirmed funding, and construction will start for the 20 km, 14 station phase 1 in 2020, to open in 2026.

This includes a lengthy tunnel through downtown, and under the river. It is completely grade separated for 3/4 of phase 1 (and 100% separated from any road that is any way important), and completes all of the complicated portions of the future 46 km, 28 station full buildout. Future stages can be added relatively cheaply as money is available - there is no need to collect and hoard billions of dollars to get anything done.

This will be Calgary's 5th "spoke" out of downtown - and also a tiny bit of the 6th.

There is potential, due to cost savings during construction, or other funding becoming available in the timeframe, that additional length and stations could open on Day 1.
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Why 3 years before construction?!
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Why 3 years before construction?!
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This is a ridiculous timeline than could be compressed to a year.
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I think you could start the tender process 2, 3 quarters earlier at best, in Q1/Q2 2018, which might let you break ground in Q4 2019.
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Confederation Line pics from the Ottawa forum;

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Catenary system at Tremblay from up close

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Awesome pics Harley!

Progress at Cyrville:




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That looks serious.

Big city line.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2017, 12:54 AM
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Hurdman is going to have so many transfers though... not as bad as Tunney's Pasture for the next few years though.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2017, 5:00 PM
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First preliminary work underway for the REM. Relocation of Hydro-Quebec infrastructure on Wellington Street (purple dotted line), under which the tunnel will go.



This isn't groundbreaking yet, but it shows the project is well underway for a construction start in late 2017/early 2018.
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On Sunday, July 16, the Kontinuum sound and light show by Moment Factory, one of the signature Ottawa 2017 events, launched in the future Lyon O-Train Station. Here are a few pictures;


https://twitter.com/moment_factory

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Old Posted Sep 2, 2017, 3:10 PM
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In a shocking development, Bombardier can't build a train...

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Software! The latest LRT snafu
Latest launch date in jeopardy as Bombardier fails to deliver a train that works
by Greg Mercer, Waterloo Region Record




KITCHENER — With the planned launch of its light rail transit system just months away, the Region of Waterloo is still waiting for Bombardier to deliver a train that actually works.

And and there's no guarantee when that might happen.

Bombardier's production of the region's LRT vehicles has been repeatedly delayed — now by problems with the core operating software that runs the trains and the testing required to get them ready for the public.

It's the latest setback in a $92.4-million deal for 14 Bombardier trains signed in July 2013.

It means the region's LRT service, originally scheduled to start in late 2017 but already delayed to next spring, is at risk of being pushed back even further.

"It's frustrating that it's taking so long," said Tom Galloway, the regional councillor who sits on the rapid transit steering committee. "We were supposed to have the first working vehicle a year ago, and all the vehicles should have been here by now ...

"It's in Bombardier's hands, but when schedules are in their hands, our experience has not been the greatest."

Bombardier did not respond to specific questions about problems with production, but said things were progressing.

It could not say when the first pilot train might arrive.

"Manufacturing and assembly of the vehicles in Bombardier's Kingston plant is going very well, with high-speed testing on our test track progressing accordingly," said Marc-André Lefebvre, head of communications and public relations for Bombardier Canada.

"The question of the delivery schedule is under discussion between our team and the Region's, and so we cannot comment further on this issue for the time being. We assure you that we will keep everyone informed as soon as we have developments."

Bombardier has delivered one train — it arrived in February — but it's not functional. Its operating software is incomplete, its sensors haven't been calibrated and there's no train signal system installed.

The Region says it needed that unfinished train to test how it fit inside the LRT storage facility on Dutton Drive.

That train will either need to be shipped back to Bombardier or the company will have to send a crew here to finish it, Galloway said.

Galloway said a spring 2018 launch for LRT is still a "hopeful target," but admitted he's concerned by the production delays at Bombardier. The region may have to consider launching the LRT service with only 12 of the 14 trains ready, he said.

"If push comes to shove, and in the middle of winter when vehicles still aren't arriving, we may have to have those discussions," he said.

"Sure we're concerned. We're supposed to be starting the service in a couple of months, and we're already pushing it back four or five months. There's concerns because the schedules have not been met up to this point."

Galloway said Bombardier is making some progress, especially on the assembly of the vehicles. The company added an extra shift at its Millhaven rail production facility in Kingston, and workers are beginning to assemble train No. 11, out of the 14 the region ordered.

But with hiccups in testing and problems with the technology that runs the trains, they're still a long way from completion.

"They're sticking to the assembly schedule pretty closely," Galloway said. "But making the vehicles functional, making them actually go, that's where we're having some issues."

Bombardier had promised to deliver the first working train by June, then that was pushed back to this August. Galloway says the region is hopeful the first pilot train can be shipped soon, but Bombardier's track record with meeting deadlines has not been great.

"It's going to be shipped fairly soon, we're told, and it should be in working order," he said. "We don't have an exact date, but we're told this fall we're going to have a vehicle that out on the line."

The delay in the delivery of that first working train is also holding up GrandLinq's ability to test the rail line the trains will run on.

Particularly puzzling for regional officials is the fact Bombardier is already producing the same LRT trains overseas — but that production has not met with the same problems as the trains being made in Canada.

"One of the things we've never gotten an answer for is Bombardier is already producing this vehicle in Europe. So why can't Bombardier North America produce it?" Galloway said.

He's hopeful that once the problems with the pilot train are resolved, the logjam will ease and the trains will start arriving more frequently. He added that the region will also pursue compensation from Bombardier for the delays, as per its contract.

The good news, he said, is that development along the LRT corridor does not appear to have been dampened by the delays from Bombardier. The most recent figures from the region are that the transit line has spurred something close to $2.2-billion in new construction in the neighbourhood areas around transit stops.

But after years of waiting, Galloway just wants that see that first working train rolling down the LRT line.

"That will be a great relief for us, and the community. That will be the signal that Bombardier has really crested that obstacle."
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Yonge and Eglinton LRT Construction

A midtown transportation core is developing.


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This just in: Bombardier is still terrible.

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Quebec-based company will now deliver just 76 vehicles, not 182. French rival Alstom plans to make vehicles for Metrolinx in a plant in Brampton, which will create between 100 and 120 jobs

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Thu., Dec. 21, 2017


Metrolinx has reduced the number of light rail vehicles it is purchasing from Bombardier by more than half after a protracted legal dispute over the Quebec-based company’s ability to fulfil the contract.

Metrolinx chief executive officer Phil Verster confirmed Thursday that the agency has cut the order to 76 vehicles from 182, reducing its value to $392 million from $770 million. The new deal also includes greater financial penalties for Bombardier if it doesn’t deliver on time.

Metrolinx, which is the arms-length agency of the provincial government in charge of transportation for the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area, placed the order for a fleet of Bombardier’s Flexity Freedom cars in 2010, and planned to run the vehicles on the Eglinton Crosstown, Finch West and other Toronto-area LRT lines. However, the agency will now run the Bombardier vehicles on the Crosstown only.

The agreement was hammered out through negotiations with Bombardier over the past seven or eight weeks, according to Verster. He said the settlement would protect Metrolinx financially while giving Bombardier incentive to perform.

“It’s really important to give suppliers an opportunity to succeed, and, if they don’t, they need to bear the commercial consequences,” he said.

“I do run our organization as a business . . . This is what any business would have done facing this type of exposure.”

As part of the settlement, Metrolinx has agreed to extend, by 18 months, a separate contract that Bombardier holds for operating and maintaining GO Transit service. GO Transit operations have been contracted out to Bombardier for decades, and the company’s current contract was set to expire in 2023.

In a statement, Bombardier said the value of the GO Transit extension will effectively offset its lost revenue from the reduced vehicle order, and the new deals “do not change materially the size of our relationship with Metrolinx.”

Benoit Brossoit, president of the Americas Region at Bombardier, said the new arrangement was beneficial for all involved.

“We have always been resolved to find a clear negotiated path forward, one that delivers value to all parties, and foremost to the people of Ontario. Bombardier is fully committed to the Metrolinx project and to the people of the Greater Toronto Hamilton Area,” he said in a statement.

According to Verster, the new vehicle contract eliminates a major imbalance in the original agreement that could have left taxpayers liable for millions of dollars in sunk costs if Bombardier didn’t supply the cars on time.

Under the original deal, Bombardier would have had to pay Metrolinx $1,500 a day for each late vehicle. According to Metrolinx, the agency is on the hook to pay the consortium building the Crosstown up to $500,000 a day if the vehicles are late.

Verster wouldn’t reveal the harsher late fees that Bombardier is facing under the new contract. He argued the terms are confidential. But he said the penalties are “huge” and would offset any financial liability for Metrolinx.

The CEO added that the agency has also negotiated an extended warranty for the vehicles, as well as increased access to Bombardier’s production processes so that Metrolinx can track its progress.

Under the reduced contract, Metrolinx will be paying more per vehicle than under the original deal. Verster said that was because there are setup costs Bombardier must bear regardless of the size of the order.

The two parties became locked in a bitter dispute over the vehicle purchase last year, when Metrolinx filed a notice of intent to terminate. The agency claimed that Bombardier had yet to supply the first prototype vehicles and had failed to deliver on its contractual obligations.

Bombardier responded by taking the agency to court, and scored a victory in April when a judge ruled Metrolinx couldn’t terminate the order without going through a dispute-resolution process outlined in the contract.

The settlement announced Thursday means the dispute process is over.

In May, Metrolinx inked a $528-million vehicle order with one of Bombardier’s competitors, the French company Alstom. The agency described the purchase as a backup in case Bombardier failed to deliver.

Alstom confirmed Thursday that it plans to manufacture the Citadis Spirit vehicles in a facility in the Brampton area, which will create between 100 and 120 jobs.

Metrolinx intends to use 17 of the 61 Alstom cars on the Finch West LRT, and the remaining vehicles on other planned LRT lines in the province.

Verster wouldn’t rule out deploying Alstom cars on the Crosstown if Bombardier doesn’t live up to the reduced contract, but, he said, he hoped that wouldn’t be necessary.

“We are confident that we have given them every opportunity to succeed,” he said of Bombardier.

The $5.3-billion Crosstown LRT will extend 19 kilometres along Eglinton Ave., and is scheduled to enter service by 2021.

Bombardier was supposed to deliver the first two prototype vehicles for the fleet by 2015, but has yet to supply one. A spokesperson for the company said it plans to make the first delivery in the fall of 2018.

In a written statement, Ontario Transportation Minister Steven Del Duca said the government would “continue to be vigilant with respect to Bombardier’s performance.”

“Simply put, they are expected to deliver as per our new agreement or face significant consequences.”
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 5:01 PM
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^what a surprise.

Thanks for bumping the thread, I'll update the front page.
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this is kinda weird to see, is that a normal rail line in waterloo? why are there no crossing signals?

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