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Old Posted Dec 21, 2017, 5:34 AM
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Urban Analogues

Just a fun idea I thought would be interesting. Every city seems to share some general characteristic with another city while still maintaining its uniqueness. These characteristics are surface level, but still cool to make note of.

For instance, the two cities I feel are analogues of each other on the surface are Brooklyn and San Francisco. Both are coastal urban areas at the ocean of their respective coasts. Brooklyn is not an independent city anymore like SF, but it could hold up to its own if it was.

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Brooklyn:

Looking South at Brooklyn by Adam Lewis Wyner, on Flickr

San Francisco:

San Francisco by David Levine, on Flickr

Both cities have iconic bridges that connects them to the rest of their urban areas. However, Brooklyn is part of an island while SF is at the tip of a peninsula.

Bridges

Brooklyn:

Staten Island to Brooklyn by JoelICastaneda, on Flickr

Brooklyn Downtown 8380 by edgar ediza, on Flickr

Brooklyn Bridge at night by RJ DiBella, on Flickr

San Francisco:

The Golden Gate by buffdawgus, on Flickr

San Francisco by John King, on Flickr

San Francisco Street by Glenn Preisler, on Flickr


There are more similarities for this pair I will post but if anyone who has though about two other cities that are analogous in one way or another, feel free to share.
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I would say San Francisco shares characteristics with places along the Mediterranean Sea. But yeah, being along a body of water with some of the same housing stock and the bridges, San Francisco is similar to Brooklyn, although it's clearly an alpha or Manhattan in how it operates. Bridges connect to Manhattan as well and neither it or San Fran. has one along its western shore, so I think it's more fair to compare it to Manhattan.
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I would say San Francisco shares characteristics with places along the Mediterranean Sea. But yeah, being along a body of water with some of the same housing stock and the bridges, San Francisco is similar to Brooklyn, although it's clearly an alpha or Manhattan in how it operates. Bridges connect to Manhattan as well and neither it or San Fran. has one along its western shore, so I think it's more fair to compare it to Manhattan.
That's true. SF shares a more official feel with Manhattan. But Manhattan does have the GW Bridge on its west coast. I will try to post some analogues between them in the future.
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I know SF currently has the Salesforce Tower coming up and a currently larger and more vibrant downtown, but both it and Brooklyn have their CBDs skylines at a corner area pointing towards the mainland. The shot I found for SF is old.

Skylines

Brooklyn:

Brooklyn skyline, New York City by James Willamor, on Flickr


San Francisco:

San Francisco Skyline by Justin Owens, on Flickr


Both cities are also known for their rowhome housing architecture along with a good amount of apartments. Brooklyn has its brownstones and buildings mostly made of brick while SF has great examples of Victorian architecture like the famous Painted Ladies. They also both have nice terminal vistas, though SF is more dramatic with the hills and bay.

Housing architecture

Brooklyn:

Brownstones by Brandon, on Flickr

Park Slope by robotpolisher, on Flickr

42nd Street approaching 3rd Avenue by Aonghais Mac, on Flickr

4th Avenue by Matt Green, on Flickr

Brooklyn - 63rd Street by Roger W, on Flickr

Brooklyn Apartment 5506 by edgar ediza, on Flickr

San Francisco:

What ever happened to predictability? by Erin, on Flickr

San Francisco Street by Lindsey Krause, on Flickr

San Francisco Street by Freddie Jordan, on Flickr

San Francisco Business Trip by Sujal Parikh, on Flickr

P1090504 by Michael Afar, on Flickr

San Francisco - apartments on Hyde Street by MikePScott, on Flickr

East Coast and West Coast. Brothers from different mothers.
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I thought this would be comparing neighborhoods, which is really impossible, but kind of a favorite game of mine. And impossible to avoid for anyone who's moved from one major city to another, particularly as an expat.

For instance, one could say that Shoreditch (London) is kinda-sorta TriBeCa meets Lower East Side meets Williamsburg (NYC). The first bit due to proximity to the financial center (and the luxury apartments this brings), the last due to hipsterdom, but the density of the built environment and the level of grime well exceeds the 'Burg, so it's not just that; there's a dose of LES.

Notting Hill is most like the West Village (lots of London neighborhoods are bound to be most like the West Village, among NY hoods), but a bit more residential and with a bit more recently gentrified edge in the northern part, so that mixed with some part of Brooklyn like Bed-Stuy.

Going the other way, NY's SoHo is like Covent Garden meets Clerkenwell. Midtown is practically all of central London rolled into one, but mostly the City meets Oxford/Regent Streets meets Leicester Square. The Upper East Side is pretty obviously the whole Grosvenor Estate (Mayfair, Belgravia).

You can be lazy (like just calling the most expensive urban zip codes of any city "the Upper East Side of"), but it never quite works because cities develop in such different ways. Still, it's fun to try and moreso if one has spent enough time living in each place to know how residents use various 'hoods.

Perhaps another thread?
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I thought this would be comparing neighborhoods, which is really impossible, but kind of a favorite game of mine. And impossible to avoid for anyone who's moved from one major city to another, particularly as an expat.

For instance, one could say that Shoreditch (London) is kinda-sorta TriBeCa meets Lower East Side meets Williamsburg (NYC). The first bit due to proximity to the financial center (and the luxury apartments this brings), the last due to hipsterdom, but the density of the built environment and the level of grime well exceeds the 'Burg, so it's not just that; there's a dose of LES.

Notting Hill is most like the West Village (lots of London neighborhoods are bound to be most like the West Village, among NY hoods), but a bit more residential and with a bit more recently gentrified edge in the northern part, so that mixed with some part of Brooklyn like Bed-Stuy.

Going the other way, NY's SoHo is like Covent Garden meets Clerkenwell. Midtown is practically all of central London rolled into one, but mostly the City meets Oxford/Regent Streets meets Leicester Square. The Upper East Side is pretty obviously the whole Grosvenor Estate (Mayfair, Belgravia).

You can be lazy (like just calling the most expensive urban zip codes of any city "the Upper East Side of"), but it never quite works because cities develop in such different ways. Still, it's fun to try and moreso if one has spent enough time living in each place to know how residents use various 'hoods.

Perhaps another thread?
Yeah, you can compare neighborhoods as well. I didn't realized New York and London shared a lot. London, Paris, and Rome seem similar among each other and Paris shares a lot with NYC.
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Here's some last comparisons between Brooklyn and SF. These are just very surface level, so don't think too much about it.


Terminating Vistas

Brooklyn:


Brooklyn. by chris dilts, on Flickr


San Francisco:


San Francisco by fluido & franz, on Flickr


Chinatowns (SF has a larger more famous one but BK has one growing in Sunset Park)


Brooklyn:

The Big 8 by Chung Chu, on Flickr


San Francisco:


Chinatown by mi_tequila, on Flickr


Dense Suburban Housing Near Ocean (This really hits the nail for me in terms of superficial comparsions)


Brooklyn:

duplex8 by dodgedly, on Flickr


San Francisco:

Untitled by Patrick, on Flickr
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Austin and Nashville feel very similar to me: comparable sizes, state capitals, famous for their music scenes, both college towns on a river and probably two of the biggest “it” cities right now.
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Austin and Nashville feel very similar to me: comparable sizes, state capitals, famous for their music scenes, both college towns on a river and probably two of the biggest “it” cities right now.
Is Nashville really a college town? It has a well known college in it but so does almost any city of any notable size. I just don't see it with Austin and Nashville. I'd say Columbus is Austin's northern twin along with Raleigh, Baton Rouge and Madison to a lesser extent.
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I thought this would be comparing neighborhoods, which is really impossible, but kind of a favorite game of mine. And impossible to avoid for anyone who's moved from one major city to another, particularly as an expat.

For instance, one could say that Shoreditch (London) is kinda-sorta TriBeCa meets Lower East Side meets Williamsburg (NYC). The first bit due to proximity to the financial center (and the luxury apartments this brings), the last due to hipsterdom, but the density of the built environment and the level of grime well exceeds the 'Burg, so it's not just that; there's a dose of LES.
Interesting. If you have been to Paris, what neighborhoods there would you say are analogous with both London and NYC?
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Interesting. If you have been to Paris, what neighborhoods there would you say are analogous with both London and NYC?
I probably don't know all of Paris well enough to do this. We have our parts of it that we like and go back to (mostly eastern central Paris), unless we're there for longer.

With that said I don't think anyone would be shocked by the comparison of the Le Marais to NYC's West Village or London's Chelsea and Notting Hill. That one is the most obvious to me.

Pigalle in Paris is sort of like Soho in London, which is a bit tougher to compare to NYC. Maybe Meatpacking mixed with Chelsea and a bit of Lower East Side. Or maybe these days NoMad is a comparison, with it becoming newly trendy and full of restaurants. But you need the clubs, sex shops and burlesque as well (there's a reason the Box, the trendy burlesque from London's Soho, opened their NYC locale on Chrystie St and the Paris one in Pigalle).

Eastern Paris like eastern London like eastern central NYC (i.e., Brooklyn) is the more hipster part, so you could definitely compare the upper part of the 11th (around Avenue Parmentier) and the 19th with Williamsburg and Hoxton.

The 2nd as Midtown or the City (but the bit around St Paul's, not the eastern part), and the 1st is also part of Midtown for NYC, but more like Mayfair/St James in London. The 8th is perhaps the Upper East Side equivalent; in London that's Belgravia and part of Knightsbridge (unofficially Hans Town), down to Sloane Square.

I'd like to say Montmartre is a bit like Hampstead, but although they're both on a hill and have literary traditions, the former is much more central and feels different. Hampstead has a lot of open space (something which Paris lacks in general) and feels quieter and more residential. Part of that may be the crush of tourists that Montmartre constantly faces.

The Left Bank as the Upper West Side? Historically less prestigious (vs the Right Bank or Upper East Side), but more academic, artistic and literary.


This is a fun game, but like I said, very difficult. Kind of useful when looking for a place to stay, too. To be clear though, to do this one needs to focus mostly on the types of activity that goes on and the types of people who live/work/play in an area for comparisons. If one starts looking at the built environment instead, you could never compare most places to NYC, or anywhere in the US to Paris, etc.
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The 8th is perhaps the Upper East Side equivalent; in London that's Belgravia and part of Knightsbridge (unofficially Hans Town), down to Sloane Square.
I think the UES equivalent would be the 7th. The 8th feels more like East Midtown, Murray Hill, or the far UES. The 7th is richer than the 8th, I believe.
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The Left Bank as the Upper West Side? Historically less prestigious (vs the Right Bank or Upper East Side), but more academic, artistic and literary.
I would agree, generally, but more around Sorbonne. The western half of the Left Bank feels more like UES. The Left Bank closer to the Peripherique feels like central Queens; places like Rego Park, Forest Hills. Middle class and a tad dowdy.

Brooklyn would be eastern Paris. Bronx would be northern Paris and adjacent suburbs.
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I think the UES equivalent would be the 7th. The 8th feels more like East Midtown, Murray Hill, or the far UES. The 7th is richer than the 8th, I believe.


I would agree, generally, but more around Sorbonne. The western half of the Left Bank feels more like UES. The Left Bank closer to the Peripherique feels like central Queens; places like Rego Park, Forest Hills. Middle class and a tad dowdy.

Brooklyn would be eastern Paris. Bronx would be northern Paris and adjacent suburbs.
When I said the Left Bank, I was thinking specially about the area around St Germain. I really have no idea what southern Paris is like, in fact I'm not sure I've ever been further from the Seine than the Luxembourg Gardens, except in a taxi to the Gare Montparnasse for a train toward southwest France.

As for the 8th... isn't the area south of the Champs-Élysées (where the Plaza Athénée and Four Seasons hotels are) still part of the 8th? That to be always felt very much like the UES on Park and Madison. And more prestigious than anything Rive Gauche. If the Champs-Élysées itself is 5th Avenue, then Avenue Montaigne is Madison...
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I think San Antonio and San Diego works. Very similar, as is Austin, Madison, Raleigh and Columbus. Sacramento would work with those three if Cal was founded where UC-Davis is.
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I think San Antonio and San Diego works. .
This is a lazy comparison. Besides having a Sea World park and being within 1M people, these cities aren't that similar.
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This is a lazy comparison. Besides having a Sea World park and being within 1M people, these cities aren't that similar.
-Both are home to multiple Spanish missions.
-Both are each of their state's "third city."
-Obviously, both are named for saints.
-Both have roughly the same population, though San Diego has the edge in the metro area.
-Both are still growing.
-Both were founded by the Spanish.
-As you noted, Sea World is in both.

I could go on. It was calculated and hardly just a lazy shot in the dark.
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-Obviously, both are named for saints.
i thought san diego is german for "whale's vagina".

is that not accurate? have i been misinformed?
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-Both are home to multiple Spanish missions.
-Both are each of their state's "third city."
-Obviously, both are named for saints.
-Both have roughly the same population, though San Diego has the edge in the metro area.
-Both are still growing.
-Both were founded by the Spanish.
-As you noted, Sea World is in both.

I could go on. It was calculated and hardly just a lazy shot in the dark.
Yeah, i think that's actually one of the better comparisons in this thread. Culturally both feel very similar as well - heavily hispanic, middle-of-the-road politics, and large military/air force presence. The tourist districts/downtowns feel very similar as well.
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Here are some more comparisons between San Francisco and Manhattan.


Rich/Affluent Neighborhoods

San Francisco (Pacific Heights):

Alta Vista by Brandon Doran, on Flickr

Manhattan (Upper West Side):

The Lake and the Upper West Side skyline by Apostolis Giontzis, on Flickr


Large City Parks (I think both of them were designed by the same person)

San Francisco (Golden Gate Park):

Golden Gate Park and Ocean Beach in San Francisco by David Oppenheimer, on Flickr


Manhattan (Central Park):

Manhattan (central park) by Paco Gaitero, on Flickr


Hispanic/Latino Neighborhoods

San Francisco (Mission District/ mostly Mexican and Central American):

San Francisco-Mission District by emile lombard, on Flickr


Manhattan (Washington Heights/ mostly Dominican):

Alto Manhattan (Washington Heights) by 何塞埃利亚斯 (何塞·克鲁兹), on Flickr


African American Neighborhoods

San Francisco (Fillmore District/ Western Addition):

San Francisco / Western Addition's History by Mark Denton, on Flickr

Manhattan (Harlem):

Harlem by Miryam HaMagdalit, on Flickr



Two of the finest examples of American urbanism and each one represent their respective coasts very well.


I will do some of the other comparisons/analogues mentioned in the thread so far like Brooklyn and Montreal and San Diego and San Antonio.

I'm surprised anyone hasn't mentioned London, Paris, and Rome, New York and Paris, and Chicago and Toronto. I will look into those in the future.
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This is a lazy comparison. Besides having a Sea World park and being within 1M people, these cities aren't that similar.
Yeah, I can't see the similarities at all between San Antonio and San Diego. Both are pretty unique, but in different ways.

Edit: Well, they're both big military cities, I'll acknowledge that.

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