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Old Posted Jun 12, 2019, 4:08 AM
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It's not so much infrequent temporary closures as it is overly restrictive "codes of conduct" that private entities put on their "open space."

Can you fly a kite there? Can you protest there? If kids—or guys in their 20s—are having a friendly snowball fight, will security quickly break it up? Can you take photos there? (That's the first thing I was threatened with arrest for at the British Int'l School).

The Riverwalk, by the way, is a city facility, managed by CDOT. Apparently all the downtown building open space impact fees have for years been going into that rather than creating new parks in the South Loop, West Loop, and River North.

This. All day this.

It's an abomination that Lincoln Yards was approved without the park being public. It truly is a private landscaped area. Nothing more.

Lincoln Yards is what happens when a city doesn't have an actual planning function, just a department on paper. The plan is a joke.
I, for one, will be far from devastated if the lawsuits drag out on this one.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2019, 7:05 AM
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This. All day this.

It's an abomination that Lincoln Yards was approved without the park being public. It truly is a private landscaped area. Nothing more.

Lincoln Yards is what happens when a city doesn't have an actual planning function, just a department on paper. The plan is a joke.
I, for one, will be far from devastated if the lawsuits drag out on this one.
Amen
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The land that was once slated for a stadium will become, specifically, sports fields for youth. Even if it's not open to the public per se (i.e. league play only) it will still take pressure off of other parks in the area that are public.

Also, do we need more parks where people can grill or play loud music? We need different kinds of open space for different kinds of activities, and even the Park District's properties have different rules for each park establishing what is or is not permitted. Personally I appreciate having some parks that are a little more quiet and relaxing, even if that isn't everyone's cup of tea.

Anyway, here is the text of the final PD for Lincoln Yards South pertaining to park space. Riverwalk and park access is guaranteed from 6am to 11pm, and through-access is guaranteed even in the case of a private event. Sterling Bay will establish a park advisory council run by the Park District to manage the park, and legally bind themselves to providing public access.
So it is basically a public park.
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To paraphrase Mark Twain, the difference between "basically a public park" and "a public park" is like the difference between lightning and the lightning-bug.
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Other than ownership I see no difference. It will almost certainly be better maintained by the private developer than CPD .
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2019, 4:36 PM
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^ Unfortunately ownership is everything here.
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The Riverwalk, by the way, is a city facility, managed by CDOT. Apparently all the downtown building open space impact fees have for years been going into that rather than creating new parks in the South Loop, West Loop, and River North.
Interesting. If this a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul then I'm for it though. The Riverwalk is a bigger magnet and attraction then say a half new dozen pocket parks would have been throughout downtown.

Not to say we don't still need more green space/pocket parks downtown but hopefully, funds by other means can eventually be gathered.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2019, 2:33 PM
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Lincoln Yards opponents ask judge to stop city from spending any money on the megaproject

Foes of the massive Lincoln Yards development on Wednesday asked a judge to stop the city from spending or borrowing any money for the $6 billion project slated for 55 acres just west of Lincoln Park.

The request by the public sector union-backed Grassroots Collaborative and Raise Your Hand education advocacy group is an attempt to keep the money spigot turned off while its lawsuit to toss out the record-high tax subsidy is heard.

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The opposition groups, which filed the suit in April, contend that the project led by developer Sterling Bay should not have qualified for the $1.3 billion in property tax funding. The tax assistance was approved earlier that month by the City Council in the waning days of former Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s administration amid much public controversy.

The tax subsidy is supposed to come from a new tax increment financing district, which under state law requires that the development area must be blighted and not subject to redevelopment absent the taxpayer funding.

The site doesn’t meet state requirements, the groups contend.

“The area’s proximity to Lincoln Park, Wicker Park and Bucktown, some of the most prosperous neighborhoods in the city, make it poised for growth and redevelopment regardless of TIF subsidies,” the motion states.


Tribune story here
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2019, 5:16 PM
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^ Again, I'll do anything but cry if this lawsuit drags out forcing delays for Sterling Bay.

Bad plan.
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LY is a flawed plan in an urban sense, but I'm not sure if the opponents have any legal ground to stand on... Aren't municipalities empowered to decide for themselves which areas are blighted (and therefore eligible for TIF creation)? I attended a public meeting, the city planner (maybe Reifman, can't remember) walked through several criteria under state law that Lincoln Yards firmly met, from crumbling buildings to weirdly-platted streets to environmental contamination.

Obviously the TIF legislation may have been "intended" for truly blighted areas, but it's pretty clear that the legislature wanted to give municipalities a lot of latitude in when/where TIF could be used for economic development, and that no laws were in fact broken in the creation of the two Lincoln Yards TIF districts...

Mr.D, feel like handicapping this lawsuit like you did for the Obama one?
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2019, 9:28 PM
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^ Oh, I'm certainly under no illusion that the suit has a decent chance. I would assume it's a very long shot at best

I did find the claim by city officials in the Trib article humorous that Lincoln Yards would not occur "as envisioned" w/o the historically massive TIF subsidy.

That could be argued for any TIF project for any reason, no matter how inappropriate a usage.



Aside, I know how you meant it and in that sense it's of course true - literally I suppose, but David Reifman being referred to as a planner was just about all the comic relief I needed this afternoon.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2019, 11:10 PM
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Yes, a real long shot in my opinion.

The criteria in the state redevelopment statute are very loose (and outdated). Most due process claims are easily disposed of by the deference courts give to the city council's decision.

If a cornfield in Hoffman Estates qualifies as blighted, a brownfield industrial site in the inner city undoubtedly does.
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