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Would the broad side of the second tower face the river?
It won't have a "broad" side. It'll be equal on all sides. Here's one older rendering again:



I've seen another rendering that was of equal size.
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That could be quite a great tower if it didn't have that silly little cut out on the corner...lamentably it seems to be the fad (BofA is just a better example of it). Something tells me that that cut out corner in this proposal will be one of the things that doesn't change, and as we see more versions I bet that ugly little slice on the side will still be there.
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From that rendering the facade looks...bulky and poorly proportioned. And that slice in the corner please, it's ridiculous. It makes me think of all those boy bands from the late 90s with the spiked and frosted hair, only it's being done today in the exact same style. That thing looks bad in the rendering, it'll look worse in real life, and it will be wholly regreted within five years of completion.

I say a total redesign, one a bit more imaginative and (at least) as idealistic as the original tower.
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Would this new building's lot be considered "international territory" the same way the original UN Building's is?
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Would this new building's lot be considered "international territory" the same way the original UN Building's is?
Thats what ive been thinking about. The big hoopla is because this tower would be built over a park and the neighborhood would lose its park. Secondly building on city owned land requires certain approvals. But for the UN to buy this land for its international sanctuary and so that it wouldn't be considered part of the US anymore, that would create a shitstorm. in short, no. my belief is that the land will not be annexed into the UN territory. If this were otherwise, i think that would be the topic of protest instead.
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That could be quite a great tower if it didn't have that silly little cut out on the corner....
That's one of the older renderings...
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Thats what ive been thinking about. The big hoopla is because this tower would be built over a park and the neighborhood would lose its park.
They would lose just a portion of that particular park, which in reality would just be replaced on the other side...

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building on city owned land requires certain approvals. But for the UN to buy this land for its international sanctuary and so that it wouldn't be considered part of the US anymore, that would create a shitstorm. in short, no. my belief is that the land will not be annexed into the UN territory.
Building on any city parkland requires approval from the state. It would have to be replaced, same as what happened with the new Yankee Stadium that is being built on the site of what used to be a park. Being annexed to the UN complex, it would no doubt have the same rules and regulations.
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Site of the proposed tower and the vacant Con Ed site...
















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Six Architects To Compete For East River Esplanade Design Rights

By ANNIE KARNI
June 5, 2007

As the city mulls an expansion of the United Nations campus onto city park space and the state moves forward with plans to rebuild the Midtown segment of the FDR Drive next door, elected officials and community members are seizing the opportunity to open up access to the East River with a new waterfront esplanade.

Six prominent landscape architects, including the architect of the High Line, the architect of the Museum of Modern Art roof garden, and the architect of the Brooklyn Bridge Park, will participate in a design competition on Friday to create a sweeping vision for a waterfront park that would stretch to 63rd Street from 34th Street along the East River.

The proposed 35-story U.N. office tower would be built on the current site of the 1.3-acre Robert Moses Playground. The loss of parkland would require the creation of more open space nearby, and officials have said a new waterfront esplanade would be an appropriate trade.
A new tower would require approval by the state Legislature, and the esplanade would require approval from the developer of the former Consolidated Edison power plant site just south of the United Nations, Sheldon Solow, who owns the land. Officials from the state's Department of Transportation and from the city's parks department, as well as representatives from Mr. Solow's office, are expected to meet on Friday for a briefing on the proposed waterfront esplanade.

The 12-hour design competition is being sponsored by elected officials who represent the Upper East Side, including Assemblymen Jonathan Bing and Brian Kavanagh, state Senators Liz Krueger and Thomas Duane, and numerous civic groups. The winning design is expected to be unveiled to the public on Sunday and would serve as a makeshift blueprint for future construction.

State support for the city's plan to expand the U.N. campus has been hard to come by. "I don't believe the Senate's there," a state senator of Brooklyn, Martin Golden, said in an interview. "One would have thought the city would have moved on at this point. The U.N. doesn't curry favor with us. They are a useless group that is at best anti-American."
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Plan Envisions Park Along East River

By ANNIE KARNI
June 11, 2007


East Side residents could soon enjoy close to 30 blocks of new park space along the East River, under a new plan unveiled yesterday by the Municipal Art Society.

While the United Nations seeks to expand its campus into what is now a local park and the state rebuilds the Midtown segment of the FDR Drive next door, community members and their elected officials are using the opportunity to lobby for park space in their dense neighborhood.

The park would stretch between 34th and 63rd streets, on the site of the abandoned Consolidated Edison waterside plant. The plan unveiled yesterday includes an elevated urban terrace over the FDR Drive, a wooded hill that would offer a new vista of the river, a ferry terminal, modern commercial development space, and waterfront access.

The blueprint provides the first unified vision for development of the area and was created by six architects in a 12-hour closed-door brainstorming session organized by the Municipal Art Society and Council Member Daniel Garodnick, who represents the district where the park would lie.

"It's not a substitute for a planning process, but it's a way to show people some really exciting ideas," a staff member of the Municipal Art Society, Jasper Goldman, said of the speedy design session. The plan would need approval from the developer and owner of the Con Edison site, Sheldon Solow, to move forward.

The landscape architects — including a designer of the High Line, Ricardo Scofidio, the designer of the Museum of Modern Art roof garden, Ken Smith, and an architect of the planned Brooklyn Bridge Park, Matthew Urbanski — worked together to create the first coordinated vision for a park that could make up for the loss of Robert Moses Playground, a 1.3-acre space on which the United Nations is seeking to erect a new office tower, with the city's support.

While strong opposition in the Legislature is likely to hold up the expansion of the U.N. campus, officials said the new esplanade project could move forward independently. Construction on the former Con Edison site could begin within months, according to officials from the Municipal Art Society.
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is fumihiko maki still the architect for the project?

as much as i love maki, something in me wishes everyone's favorite commie architect, oscar niemeyer, would return to do the expansion. i wonder why he wasn't invited?
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While the United Nations seeks to expand its campus into what is now a local park and the state rebuilds the Midtown segment of the FDR Drive next door, community members and their elected officials are using the opportunity to lobby for park space in their dense neighborhood.

The landscape architects — including a designer of the High Line, Ricardo Scofidio, the designer of the Museum of Modern Art roof garden, Ken Smith, and an architect of the planned Brooklyn Bridge Park, Matthew Urbanski — worked together to create the first coordinated vision for a park that could make up for the loss of Robert Moses Playground, a 1.3-acre space on which the United Nations is seeking to erect a new office tower, with the city's support.
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Residents push to open up East River waterfront

By Justin Rocket Silverman
June 11, 2007

A vision to transform the postindustrial no-man's land along the East River in midtown into a vibrant public space was embraced Sunday by elected officials and hundreds of concerned residents.

"There are 154,000 people living in this area, and I don't think [anyone] can remember what it was like to be able to walk down to the river," said Kent L. Barwick, president of the Municipal Art Society. "River access has been sealed off for decades."

The society organized a meeting of top architects last week to come up with a plan for the stretch of waterfront running from East 34th to 63rd streets. There is currently no way for pedestrians or cyclists to access this part of the city -- a fact all the more problematic because the area has only one acre of open space for every 5,000 residents, the least amount anywhere in the city.

A major portion of the area in question, a former Con Ed site that stretches from 34th to 41st streets, is the site of a massive development project spearheaded by Sheldon Solow, ranked the 746th richest person in the world by Forbes.

The developer's plans include millions of square feet of residential, commercial and retail space in a waterfront complex.

The vision unveiled Sunday represents the "beginning of a long, complicated process," according to Borough President Scott Stringer, to reconcile Solow's plans with the community's desire for more open space and public river access.

Specs presented Sunday include a large park area elevated over the FDR -- much like the Brooklyn Heights Promenade extends above the BQE. A pedestrian ramp would provide a way to reach the water below. Architects estimated the elevated park between 34th and 41st streets would add 142,600 square feet of open space, at a total cost of $224 million.

"In the 20 years I've lived in New York, access to the rivers has been one of the greatest improvements to the city," said Nelson Smith, 55, a longtime East Side resident. "What exists at this site now is extremely discontinuous and frustrating."

Officials said they are hopeful their design proposal will be considered by the developer and the city's Planning Commission.



Current East River look. June 10, 2007




Rendering of possible East River plans. June 10, 2007
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^ so, is this a competing proposal to the former UN proposal? Wasn't quite able to pull that out of the articles...

regardless of one's views on the UN (personally, I think they pander and waste too much money to really be any good), I really can't see a reason why they shouldn't get new space that they need. The UN is not going away, and as long as it exists, their existence in New York is a definite positive for New Yorkers.

that park looks like crap! Why would people defend it? while the proposal you have on the first page of the forums (the one with the gash on one of the top corners) doesnt look like anything special, this newest proposal looks gorgeous! and look at all that extra new park land!

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^ so, is this a competing proposal to the former UN proposal? Wasn't quite able to pull that out of the articles...
It's not an actual proposal, just an idea of what a waterfront park could look like on the site. The City is planning to build this park partly as replacement for the small park the UN tower would replace.

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The vision unveiled Sunday represents the "beginning of a long, complicated process," according to Borough President Scott Stringer, to reconcile Solow's plans with the community's desire for more open space and public river access.
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Torben Gettermann, the Danish consul general, renewed Denmark’s lease early.


By J. ALEX TARQUINIO
June 13, 2007

The United Nations has been wrestling with how to renovate its headquarters in New York for nearly a decade. The creaky Secretariat and General Assembly buildings, perched along the East River in Midtown Manhattan, have not been refurbished since they were completed in 1952. Even the original mechanical and engineering systems are still in place.

The really tricky part was deciding where to house the United Nations while a renovation project was being completed. There was even some talk of picking up stakes and temporarily moving the United Nations to either Brooklyn or Queens.

But in December, the General Assembly approved a $1.9 billion plan that will keep it in Manhattan for the duration of this project. Only about 1,000 of the 3,500 employees will have to move out of the main complex, and most of them will be in temporary offices nearby.
Werner Schmidt, a United Nations spokesman for the renovation project, said that work could begin early next year and should be completed by 2015.

The United Nations itself is not the only entity investing heavily in this neighborhood. The diplomatic offices of some governments — as well as nongovernmental organizations, or N.G.O.’s, working with the world body — have started renewing their leases early or are buying or renovating office space nearby. The countries involved range from small island nations to the United States, which is completely rebuilding its permanent mission directly opposite the United Nations.

Although many diplomats now scoff at the notion that moving to Brooklyn or Queens was ever a serious option, they say the approval of the renovation plans, known as the Capital Master Plan, has given them confidence to make their own real estate plans.


“The government of Angola prefers to purchase real estate in those capitals where we are going to be for a long time, and we hope the United Nations is going to be in this location for many, many years,” said Ismael Gaspar Martins, Angola’s ambassador to the United Nations.

Angola’s permanent mission to the United Nations is now housed in a brownstone that it has owned on Manhattan’s Upper East Side since the 1970s. But Mr. Martins said the building, on East 73rd Street between Lexington and Park Avenues, is rather far from the United Nations.

So Angola recently purchased the entire 12th floor of the building at 820 Second Avenue, at 44th Street. It is renovating the space, which totals more than 11,500 square feet, and Mr. Martins said he hoped that the employees would be able to move in before the next General Assembly session in the fall.

The building, which is just steps away from the United Nations, is also known as Diplomat Center because so many governments maintain their permanent missions to the United Nations there.

Philips International, a New York developer, bought roughly 70 percent of the office space in this 19-story building and all of the retail space for $48 million last year. The rest of the building had already been sold as office condominiums to a number of buyers, including the governments of Croatia, Nepal, Syria and Peru.

Some other governments have leased space in the building for years. Andrew Aberham, vice president for sales and leasing at Philips International, said that all the tenants would be allowed to renew their leases if they chose not to buy their space. He also said that Philips planned to retain all of the retail space, covering almost 12,000 square feet, and to renovate the lobby.

The republic of Madagascar, which had a little less than a year left on its lease, opted to buy its office two weeks ago. Madagascar purchased nearly 7,000 square feet, or a little more than half of the eighth floor. The government of Nicaragua rents the other half.

Philips is asking about $675 a square foot for the office condominiums. “I think that is typical for the market now, because we’ve been selling close to that number,” Mr. Aberham said.

Some governments that prefer to rent near the United Nations are taking the unusual step of renewing their leases years before they expire in order to lock in prices, even though this means paying higher rents sooner rather than later.

They are primarily motivated by soaring rents. The average rent for office space east of Third Avenue from 35th to 61st Streets, jumped more than 27 percent in the last 12 months, to about $68 a square foot, according to CB Richard Ellis.

So in April, the government of Denmark renewed its lease about a year and a half early at 1 Dag Hammarskjold Plaza, which is at 885 Second Avenue at 47th Street. “I thought if we renewed early we would be able to secure a more reasonable rate,” said Torben A. Gettermann, the Danish consul general in New York.

Denmark’s offices occupy all of the 18th floor and about half of the 17th floor, and include both the mission to the United Nations and the Royal Danish Consulate General.

Many consulates in New York are along Fifth Avenue, but Mr. Gettermann said that it made sense to share space near the United Nations because “we have a tremendous traffic of people from Denmark — politicians, N.G.O.’s and anyone interested in the United Nations — who all pass through our offices.”

The republic of Ireland leases the entire 19th floor of 1 Dag Hammarskjold Plaza. The Irish mission to the United Nations was something of a trendsetter when it renewed its lease for the space, which is roughly 16,000 square feet, two years early in 2005. It secured a 13-year lease, which is relatively long in Manhattan, where landlords usually prefer to sign 10-year leases, said Matthew McBride, a broker at CB Richard Ellis, who represented the Irish mission in the lease negotiations.

Sean McDonald, Ireland’s deputy permanent representative to the United Nations, said the Irish government felt fortunate to have renewed its lease right before the big spike in rents.

“If you looked at what was happening with the Capital Master Plan at that time, it seemed pretty certain that there was no question of moving out of town,” Mr. McDonald said. “I don’t think it was ever realistic to think that we were moving to Brooklyn.”
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I know its been mentioned that the UN was going to build something on their current land. Well something is being built right now but the structure looks too flimsy to be a high-rise. this is on the northern end of their land





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its the temporary chambers building or whatever.. right?
     
     
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its the temporary chambers building or whatever.. right?
Yeah, at least that's what was planned.
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