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here is a quote from a update on the convention center urvan renewal update by pdc:
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Bee Car Rental Disposition

In December, PDC received three responses to a request for interest (RFI) for the Bee Car Rental Property at 84 NE Weidler St. Much less demanding than a request for proposals (RFP), the Bee Car RFI requested only basic information from potential developers. Developers were required to propose an “active” use and a minimum 30,000 square foot building(s). Otherwise potential developers were given broad leeway in proposing a use/building.

Of the three proposals received, one was for a 14-story mixed-use building, another for a restaurant and/or hotel, and the third for a 2-3 story office building.

Given the limited information required by the RFI and the varied development concepts proposed, PDC staff has recommended continuing the solicitation process by issuing an RFP. In addition to the information required by the RFI, potential development teams will provide a conceptual budget, details on team qualifications, and several drawings/renderings of the new building(s). The RFP will be open to all qualified development teams and is expected to be issued Tuesday, February 13, 2007. Teams will have until April 3, 2007 to respond. Those interested in the RFP should check www.pdc.us/bee for additional information about the solicitation, along with a factsheet to tell you more about this project.
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Darn, no proposals for a parking lot? Sounds like they're pushing the envelope here!! /sarcasm
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Who will pay for HQ hotel?
BACKSTORY: Sides debate worth, funding of a facility near convention center
By Jim Redden
The Portland Tribune, Mar 6, 2007

East Bank Saloon co-owner Connie Hunt always knows when a big event is being held at the Oregon Convention Center.

Even though the center is more than a dozen blocks from the restaurant Hunt and her husband, Robert “Pudgy” Hunt, own at 727 S.E. Grand Ave., lunchtime business always doubles when a convention is in town.

“I can tell the minute I walk in the door,” she said.

For that reason, Hunt supports the construction of a 600-room headquarters hotel on two blocks across the street from the center, which is located at 777 N.E. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.

Her position is shared by a coalition of regional business owners and area residents, including some who are not actively involved in the tourism industry. They believe such a hotel would attract more than a dozen new conventions to Portland a year, contributing more than $100 million annually to the regional economy.

Metro, the regional government that owns the center, currently is considering building such a publicly owned hotel on that site. It could cost $160 million or more — including the donation of the two blocks that were purchased several years ago by the Portland Development Commission for almost $12 million.

Regional Hilton Hotel executive Brad Hutton also believes a hotel should be built across from the center. But Hutton — joined by a coalition of other regional hotel owners and operators — favors a smaller hotel built and owned by a private developer. They worry that if the publicly owned hotel does not succeed, area taxpayers will be forced to bail it out.

“We believe that something in the way of a hotel next to the convention center needs to happen, but we are concerned about the size and scope of what is being asked for, in terms of the current headquarters hotel proposal,” Hutton said.

Hutton and the others are not completely against the public subsidizing the project. They believe the PDC might still need to donate the land and pay for some road improvements for it to happen. The PDC has set aside $3.7 million in next year’s budget that could be spent on the project.

“Given the market, the support could include favorable terms on the land and some assistance with the infrastructure improvements that will be required,” he said.
Public contribution debated

The two sides are battling before Metro with dueling studies on the benefits and shortcomings of other headquarters hotels in the country. But some of the region’s residents are opposed to any amount of public money going into such a project.

The Cascade Policy Institute, a free-enterprise think tank based in the Tigard area, argues that tax money should not be spent on projects that compete against private businesses. The CPI also believes all regional taxpayers could be on the hook if the project fails to pay for itself.

“There should be no public subsidy in the hotel. If it’s worth doing, the private sector should do it. As a taxpayer, I don’t want my money going down in flames in a bad investment,” CPI director John Charles said.

The public already has invested more than $200 million in the construction of the center — $90 million for the first phase that opened in 1989 and $116 million for the expansion that opened in 2003.

The public funds include $65 million in bonds backed by property taxes and $111 million in bonds backed by hotel, motel and rental-car taxes. Paid mostly by visitors from outside the region, hotel, motel and rental car taxes also are supplementing the operation and marketing of the center to the tune of more than $5 million a year.

The Metro Council formally voted to consider the project Feb. 8. It appropriated $250,000 to the Metropolitan Exposition Recreation Commission, the multijurisdictional agency that operates the center, to study how much a 600-room hotel would cost and how to finance it.

“We are very skeptical about whether such a project will pencil out, but we are willing to take a serious look at it,” said Metro Councilor Rod Park, who was assigned to oversee the research.

According to Park, if the council decides against the hotel project, it still must do something about the center’s finances. Without new revenue, the operating budget deficit is projected to grow from about $300,000 last year to approximately $1.5 million by 2014.

“We’re not going to allow that to happen,” Park said.

The council hopes to make a final decision on the hotel by the end of the year.
Center built with lottery, bonds

The Oregon Convention Center is not a traditional infrastructure project like a road, a bridge or even a public office building. The center was built as an economic development project, a facility designed to attract new people to the metropolitan area — people who boost the economy by spending money at area businesses.

State voters made economic development a government priority in November 1984 when they overwhelmingly passed a constitutional amendment to create the Oregon Lottery with its profits earmarked “to create jobs and further economic development.”

Voters in Multnomah, Clackamas and Washington counties approved a $65 million bond sale to fund the center two years later. The Oregon Lottery contributed $15 million to the project, with the balance coming from bonds and a Local Improvement District in the area.

Tricounty voters defeated a bond measure to expand the center in November 1998.

Former Mayor Vera Katz subsequently persuaded Metro and Multnomah County officials to support a 12.5 percent hotel, motel and rental-vehicle tax to support the expansion and a number of other projects, including paying for bonds issued in 2001 to support remodeling the Portland Center for the Performing Arts and PGE Park.

“The center is a loss leader. It was never intended to pay for itself. It was always meant to bring people into the area who would spend money here,” said Brian McCartin, executive vice president of sales and marketing for the Portland Oregon Visitors Association.
Not your average hotel

The arguments in support of the bond measure in the November 1998 Voters Pamphlet were, in fact, silent on the issue of the center’s operating deficit. But a May 2006 study commissioned by MERC found that the center has generated more than $6 billion in convention-related spending in the region since 1990, including $185 million in state and local tax revenues.

The study, conducted by the KPMG financial management firm, found the center contributed more than $500 million to the regional economy in 2005 alone, the most recent year for which figures are available.

Although Hutton accepts these figures, Charles suggests they were inflated because the study was financed by the center’s operators.

But POVA argues the center would contribute even more to the regional economy if a headquarters hotel is built across the street. According to POVA officials, the center could attract up to 17 more conventions a year with such a hotel — increasing the number from 36 in 2005 to 53 by 2014.

A headquarters hotel is not a conventional hotel. Within the tourism industry, the term denotes a hotel with special features that allow it to be used in conjunction with large meetings, including additional suites, extra meeting rooms that can be configured to accommodate different-size gatherings, and more than one restaurant and lounge.

The idea is that when a convention books the center, the organization’s leadership and exhibitors will be based at the hotel, filling the suites and using the meeting rooms for executive sessions.

POVA also believes that in order for the headquarters hotel to work in Portland, it must include at least 600 rooms so that a 500-room block can be reserved by convention organizers. The rest of the conventiongoers — who can number in the thousands — will be booked at other hotels in and around downtown and the Lloyd District.
PDC bought the blocks

The PDC originally thought that a privately owned hotel could be built with limited public subsidies — primarily the donation of the land and $4 million in urban renewal funds — on two blocks it owns across the street from the center.

The agency bought the blocks between 2001 and 2005 for more than $11.8 million. Two of the properties were acquired through condemnation. With the court setting the prices, the PDC paid more than $6.6 million for them.

The third piece was bought from real estate developer Barry Menashe for more than $5.2 million after the PDC threatened to condemn the property. Today, Menashe is still bitter about what he views as a forced sale.

“They took my property and treated me badly,” Menashe said.

After buying the property, the PDC got so far as selecting a development team for the project. It selected the Ashforth Pacific development company and Garfield-Traub Development of Dallas to build a Westin Hotel on the site.

But after the team was chosen, new cost estimates suggested that a much larger public subsidy would be required. When the gap grew to more than $87 million in July 2006, the City Council decided that a privately owned hotel was not feasible. In response, Metro agreed to consider building a publicly owned hotel on the site.

The debate involves more than the future of the two PDC-owned blocks, however. After voters approved the Convention Center bond sale in 1986, the council created the Oregon Convention Center Urban Renewal Area three years later.

A master plan approved by the PDC calls for the creation of a “bright lights” district with new housing, restaurants and entertainment facilities. Although the PDC currently is negotiating with some area property owners on future projects, much of the work is stalled until the hotel question is settled.
POVA, PBA express support

Many regional business owners favor continued study of a publicly financed headquarters hotel, including some who are not directly involved in the tourism industry.

When Metro considered the issue Feb. 8, testimony and letters in support of the project came from POVA, the nonprofit organization that represents 1,100 tourism-related businesses and helps book most of the conventions at the center; the Portland Business Alliance, the advocacy organization that represents many downtown businesses; and the Oregon Association of Minority Entrepreneurs, who represents minority-owned business in the region.

“In order to maximize investment in the Oregon Convention Center, a headquarters hotel must be constructed. This will help prevent the loss of future business to Portland, benefiting the community at large and the economy in the long-term,” PBA President and Chief Executive Officer Sandra McDonough wrote.

Project supporters also included many businesses owners and neighbors in the Lloyd District, the retail and residential area located east of the center between the Willamette River and Northeast 16th Avenue, and between Northeast Broadway and Interstate 84.

“The need for, and the commitment to, a Convention Center Hotel have been in place in this community for at least 20 years,” wrote Clinton Shultz, chairman of the Lloyd District Community Association, which represents both area businesses and residents.

Those supporting the construction of a smaller hotel include existing hotel owners and operators throughout the region, including the Tri-County Lodging Association, which has gone on record supporting a 400-room hotel with minimal public subsidy.

Others favoring the smaller, privately owned hotel include the regional Hilton Hotel executive Brad Hutton and members of the Aspen Group, which owns the Governor Hotel, Hotel deLuxe and the Portland Paramount Hotel.
Other cities give examples

More than two dozen cities already have such hotels near their convention centers. From 1991 to 2003, most were privately owned and publicly subsidized. Since then, the trend has been for publicly owned hotels. Over the past four years, publicly owned headquarters hotels with 600 or more rooms have opened in Austin, Texas; Denver; Houston; Omaha, Neb.; and Myrtle Beach, S.C.

The two sides disagree over how many of these cities are comparable to Portland and how well their hotels have performed.

Both sides agree that the hotels in Omaha and Myrtle Beach have not lived up to expectations. But the PDC notes that the Omaha hotel has only 450 rooms, not the 600 it considers necessary for success. The PDC also responds that Myrtle Beach is a seasonal beach resort, unlike Portland.

Of the other hotels, PDC figures show that total hotel bookings in Austin, Denver and Houston increased in the years after their headquarters hotels opened.

“Although bookings at other hotels tend to drop the first year the new headquarters hotels open, they increase in all following years,” said PDC development manager Fred Wearn.

The other side argues that — contrary to early promises — few new conventions have been booked into either Austin or Houston. And they say it is too early to tell whether Denver’s hotel is a success because it only opened in December 2005.

“Supporters of headquarters hotels have consistently overstated their potential,” said Portland attorney Tim Ramis, who has been hired by Hutton and some of the other opponents of the public-ownership plan to represent them.

According to Hutton, the mixed results mean Metro should have a Plan B that includes building a smaller hotel near the center with less public support and helping other Portland hotels upgrade hundreds of existing rooms to create the large block of high-end rooms that meeting planners say are necessary to attract more conventions.

“We think that’s a reasonable approach at this time,” Hutton said.

The CPI’s Charles is opposed to spending any more public money in support of the center, however.

“There’s never going to be an end to it. First it was build the Oregon Convention Center, then it was expand the center, now it’s build a hotel, next it will be something else. What they should do is let the market decide what to do there,” Charles said.

jimredden@portlandtribune.com
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/...13606780921900
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Since when is John Charles an expert on hotel operations. Why the hell are they quoting him anyway? Because he's the only idiot they could find to give a dissenting opinion? This is a no brainer, HQ Hotel = hundreds of millions of new tourist dollars. How hard is that to understand?
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^because the Tribune seems to be in bed with the CPI. I seem to see Bog and the CPI quoted in every few Tribune articles. In fact, Jim Karlock's recording of a town hall meeting in Lake O actually made the news in today's edition of the PORTLAND Tribune.

Pamplin is a big time Conservative...he's probably using the only people he can find to help push his agenda in print.
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The East Bank Saloon was a big supporter of anti-tax Anti-subsidy activist Ted Piccolo when he ran for city council. Typical when a public subsidy helps them personally they are all for it. Remindes me of Dwight James at the Tribune railing against MAX lines and then turning around and being all for the public subsidy for the baseball stadium.
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Or you guys who like to look at pretty buildings or ride trains that someone else pays for.

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Arguing for smart public investment is not the same as being self-serving.
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Or you guys who like to look at pretty buildings or ride trains that someone else pays for.
seriously urbanpdx, knock this crap off, it's unnecessary here.
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Or you guys who like to look at pretty buildings or ride trains that someone else pays for.

Or you guys that like to drive on roads and pollute the air that we all pay for.

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I'll let Charles know, I don't think he is self-serving either.
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Or you guys that like to drive on roads and pollute the air that we all pay for.


WE all pay for roads, we all pay for rail, the difference is that everyone uses the roads. In my 24 years in Portland I've been on MAX or a bus maybe 15-20 times, mostly to go 10 blocks or less downtown when I didn't feel like walking.
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^too bad for you. Seems like if you are paying for it, you might take better advantage of it.
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I deleted my response 'cause I was being mean spirited.

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Geez, I usually walk around 3-4 miles per day. Nice benefit to being in downtown: I don't have to spend time looking for parking. Did I mention I don't have to go to the gym?
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Geez, I usually walk around 3-4 miles per day. Nice benefit to being in downtown: I don't have to spend time looking for parking. Did I mention I don't have to go to the gym?
I too take advantage of the urban environment for walking but I am told that we still need to lift weights to keep bone density, etc. I hate the gym but will try to start going...again!
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WE all pay for roads, we all pay for rail, the difference is that everyone uses the roads. In my 24 years in Portland I've been on MAX or a bus maybe 15-20 times, mostly to go 10 blocks or less downtown when I didn't feel like walking.
This REALLY is a tired argument. If rail went everywhere that roads went, you'd use rail too. You've already admitted that you used transit when it was convenient for you. You don't think you'd use MAX if it was more convenient than driving?

The other problem with your argument is we all use roads, but we don't all use EVERY road. So since I live on the westside, why should I have to pay for improvements to Sandy and Hawthorne? I don't use them, right?
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This REALLY is a tired argument. If rail went everywhere that roads went, you'd use rail too. You've already admitted that you used transit when it was convenient for you. You don't think you'd use MAX if it was more convenient than driving?

The other problem with your argument is we all use roads, but we don't all use EVERY road. So since I live on the westside, why should I have to pay for improvements to Sandy and Hawthorne? I don't use them, right?

I do, I live on the westside and I drive on sandy and hawthorne all the time. I also drive in Gresham, Lake O, West Linn, Sherwood and many other places that have rail and bus service that I choose not to use because it takes twice as long (or longer) to get there.
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Great, so you pay for those transportation facilities, and I'll pay for the ones I use.
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