noirish Los Angeles

[Tourmaline]

Originally Posted by Scott Charles

Maybe the soundtrack for Davy Crockett or the Alamo was available at Wallichs Music City?


Late '40s - Hollywood and Vine

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/18035






More on Wallichs >>




https://youtu.be/tO7wLG-Qtas

http://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/r...hs-music-city/



Fess would have recognized Houston St.

http://www.jitterbuzz.com/furn/fess_parker.jpg

[Tourmaline]

Pizza!

1959- Tivoli Restaurant - 1358 Vine Street.


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...coll2/id/65510












1440 Vine, Cadillac

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...coll2/id/65510

[BDiH]

Originally Posted by Tourmaline

Maybe the soundtrack for Davy Crockett or the Alamo was available at Wallich's Music City?

Yes, The soundtrack to The Alamo was available at Wallich's in 1960, while the movie played at the Hollywood Theatre on Hollywood Boulevard at Highland Avenue.

I worked the singles counter (21 listening booths) and the LP counter in the 1960s. I had the afternoon shift from 5:30 pm until closing at 2:00 am. Most of the movie stars and recording artists came in after midnight when it was quiet.

We used to eat next door at Norm's (Morningside and Sunset) every night. I remember the Teenage Fair at the Palladium and NBC studios across the street. Pay was $2.00 an hour and my single apartment in Hollywood was $65.00 a month. No cable bills, no cell phone bills. Everything, from newspapers to coffee (in a cup and saucer at Biff's) to pay phone calls to shoe shines was a dime.

RCA moved from Vine and Selma to the new building on Sunset. The Cinerama Dome was new, and we watched it being built through the soundproof glass listening booths. Clyde Wallich lived at the newly built Ardmore Apartments on Whitley Avenue and Franklin Avenue. When Meet the Beatles was released, we had to wear Beatle wigs on the sales floor.

[Mstimc]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

Apparently, epilepsy often got you put away--as did, if you were a girl, flirting-- the article linked below describes the Sonoma Developmental Center (until 1909 called the The California Home for the Care and Training of Feeble-Minded Children), but gives you an idea of what went on at many California state hospitals, and all over the country.... (A charming sample quote: "America’s leading popular scientist, Santa Rosa’s own Luther Burbank, contributed a widely-reprinted 1906 treatise, 'The Training of the Human Plant.' To Burbank, 'mingling of races' was healthy, but he thought it was a 'crime against the state' if 'degenerates' had children..."

http://santarosahistory.com/wordpres...-and-eugenics/


If you can stomach it, a good read is Building a Better Race: Gender, Sexuality, and Eugenics from the Turn of the Century to the Baby Boom by Wendy Kline.

As my old man would say when all other words failed him, "Jesus Christ and General Jackson, what were they thinkin'?"

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by Scott Charles

Apparently, the building is NOT part of the hospital, at least not originally. It was the Patton Train Depot, as seen below:


LINK

“The first Patton Depot was a wooden structure, built in 1893. The brick structure seen here was built in 1898.
The station closed in 1938, and was sold to a private party in 1948.”

Thanks for the correction Scott Charles. (and for spotting the depot on google_earth)
I have to admit I was a bit disappointed it wasn't part of the asylum, but more than happy that it still stands. (needless to say)

As I am wont to do I now have a little 'crush' on this building.



Here are a few more photographs.


Patton depot, March 1965.


COASTDAYLIGHT

I'm curious about the wooden building at far right. From this angle it looks like it's in the middle of Highland Ave.





Patton depot, March 1970.


COASTDAYLIGHT

The mustang is no doubt the photographer's





I'll included this last photograph because I'm not entirely sure what we're looking at. (and there's even a description! duh)


COASTDAYLIGHT

"Weld on the top of the rail near the Patton depot, March 1965.
The weld was possibly an aid for improving electrical contact
and activating a crossing signal."


soooo... they're obviously talking about the long vertical weld, but why would this be needed?
Wouldn't the rails themselves be a sufficent contact?
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[ethereal_reality]

PATTON STATE HOSPITAL

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

I think your second photo looks at what's at the far end of the first photo, e_r. In your first photo, I believe the
west wing is on the left and the east wing is on the right. Below, I think it's the opposite (east wing on the left and
west wing on the right).

UM....OK

so the photographer was in front of the buldings in one, and in back of the buildings in the other. -right?
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Overcrowding at Patton as early as 1913.


GOV. HIRAM JOHNSON, 1913

Surprisingly, Patton was the only insane asylum in ALL of Southern California in 1913. (there were four in the rest of the state)
If that was the case, Downey was only considered a poor farm in 1913. (established as such in 1888)
So was it the L.A. County Poor Farm in Downey (later renamed Rancho Los Amigos*), that primarily picked up the slack for the mentally ill after 1913?
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*"Rancho Los Amigos is erroneously known as the "Hollydale Mental Hospital" from LOOK INSIDE DOWNEYS CREEPY ABANDONED ASYLUM

sidenote: (Camarillo State Mental Hospital did not open until 1936)
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[BillinGlendaleCA]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

sidenote: (Camarillo State Mental Hospital did not open until 1936)
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Camarillo State Hospital is now Cal State Channel Islands. It appears(per Wikipedia) that Metropolitan State Hospital opened in 1915(my college roommate's mom worked there).

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by Tourmaline

1440 Vine, Cadillac

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...coll2/id/65510

'59s in the showroom...




The year before...from post 6558



Circa 1950--from post 6465

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

PATTON STATE HOSPITAL



so the photographer was in front of the buldings in one, and in back of the buildings in the other. -right?

I originally thought that one of the pictures was mirrored, but, as FW says, one shows the east wing and the other shows the west wing. Patton State Hospital was one of the last asylums built in the Kirkbride design. There was normally a very elaborate (if imposing) front building for administration etc, often with a fancy clock tower. The wards were then built going diagonally backwards to the left and right, giving a "bat wing" floor plan. Male and female patients were kept separate by the two wings.

Some complete Kirkbrides still survive, and others have had their admin blocks saved, but the one at Patton was demolished as early as 1923 after it was badly damaged in an earthquake.

The aerial below is from 1930. I'm guessing that the original Kirkbride building was at the top of the semi-circlular road, at the end of the central driveway. The station building can be seen at the bottom of the left side of the semi-circle.


mil.library.ucsb.edu

[unihikid]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Thanks for the correction Scott Charles. (and for spotting the depot on google_earth)
I have to admit I was a bit disappointed it wasn't part of the asylum, but more than happy that it still stands. (needless to say)

As I am wont to do I now have a little 'crush' on this building.



Here are a few more photographs.


Patton depot, March 1965.


COASTDAYLIGHT

I'm curious about the wooden building at far right. From this angle it looks like it's in the middle of Highland Ave.





Patton depot, March 1970.


COASTDAYLIGHT

The groovy mustang is no doubt the photographer's





I'll included this last photograph because I'm not entirely sure what we're looking at. (and there's even a description! duh)


COASTDAYLIGHT

"Weld on the top of the rail near the Patton depot, March 1965.
The weld was possibly an aid for improving electrical contact
and activating a crossing signal."


soooo... they're obviously talking about the long vertical weld, but why would this be needed?
Wouldn't the rails themselves be a sufficent contact?
_

I'm a little rusty on my train buff stuff, but i read somewhere years ago that the Santa Fe stations always had palms on either side of the station to welcome passengers in Socal. Also this station looks an awful lot like the restored Perris Station which was also a Santa Fe Station. Santa Fe had Doodlebugs (i think that's what they were called) that ran short loops, like the LA to Pasadena in combo engine/passenger diesel cars. Since this isn't too far from the San Bernardino Station, maybe this might of been a Doodlebug loop, which might account for the extra weld since the cars we're very light.

[Tourmaline]

Ted's Grill, 146 Enrada Drive, Santa Monica Canyon
(Evidently, Ted's was hit by '38 flooding and rebuilt. This image is post repairs.)






http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/16667


https://calisphere.org/clip/500x500/...3fc40e2ecb8789

[Bristolian]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I'll included this last photograph because I'm not entirely sure what we're looking at. (and there's even a description! duh)


COASTDAYLIGHT

"Weld on the top of the rail near the Patton depot, March 1965.
The weld was possibly an aid for improving electrical contact
and activating a crossing signal."


soooo... they're obviously talking about the long vertical weld, but why would this be needed?
Wouldn't the rails themselves be a sufficent contact?
_

I would guess that there was significant corrosion on the rails which would compromise the electrical contact so a corrosion resistant bead was laid down on top to provide solid conductivity.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by Tourmaline

Ted's Grill, 146 Entrada Drive, Santa Monica Canyon
(Evidently, Ted's was hit by '38 flooding and rebuilt. This image is post repairs.)



http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/16667

The post-flood building is still there (with modifications). The first image below is from 2015.


GSV

The white lattice has since been removed from the windows, and they look original. It's a shame that the place looks so run-down in this 2017 image. The old Ted's sign appears to be lurking behind the greenery.


GSV

The intestesting house in the background of Tourmaline's photo is also still standing at 129 Ocean Way.

[Scott Charles]

Originally Posted by oldstuff

It is Houston Street in San Antonio, Texas. There was a Manhattan Café in San Antonio that had a white shiny tile front with black around the edges. The signs across the street "Carls" and so on are in San Antonio. The owner, Dan Anthony, began desegregation in San Antonio. There was a sign across the street that said "Hollywood" something which is probably where they got the idea that it was Hollywood, CA.

Thanks, oldstuff! By the way, I wandered around downtown San Antonio in the Googlemobile... San Antonio looks like it has a pretty cool downtown!

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

It might just be me, GaylordWilshire, but I can't see the contents of your post. Maybe I'm missing some browser plug-in?

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

You're welcome!

It was just luck; or, since I was involved, perhaps dumb luck would be a more accurate description. I was going through
that one collection and when I saw that particular photo, I wondered why there was so much empty space next to those
buildings, so I zoomed in and saw that familiar sign. I'm glad I looked!

On the east side of the CBYC, next to the parked car, there is a banner, but unfortunately I cannot make out the words on it.
Perhaps the banner describes the club's relocation?

Oh and your pier overlays are wonderful!

Glad you like the pier overlay graphic, Flyingwedge!

I tried to clean up the banner in the CBYC photo, but couldn't read anything... but THANKS AGAIN for posting the image!

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Thanks for the correction Scott Charles. (and for spotting the depot on google_earth)
I have to admit I was a bit disappointed it wasn't part of the asylum, but more than happy that it still stands. (needless to say)

As I am wont to do I now have a little 'crush' on this building.

Patton depot, March 1965.


COASTDAYLIGHT

No shame in that, ER - that's a cool old building!

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Thanks for the correction Scott Charles. (and for spotting the depot on google_earth)
I have to admit I was a bit disappointed it wasn't part of the asylum, but more than happy that it still stands. (needless to say)

As I am wont to do I now have a little 'crush' on this building.



Here are a few more photographs.


Patton depot, March 1965.


COASTDAYLIGHT

I'm curious about the wooden building at far right. From this angle it looks like it's in the middle of Highland Ave.





Patton depot, March 1970.


COASTDAYLIGHT

The groovy mustang is no doubt the photographer's

[...]
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e_r, I often quiz myself when I see a building, "What was flitting about in the architect's mind when this was designed?"

How about Castel Sant'Angelo in Rome?:


From TripAdvisor https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attracti...ome_Lazio.html

[Los Angeles Past]

Originally Posted by Tourmaline

Maybe the soundtrack for Davy Crockett or the Alamo was available at Wallich's Music City?



More on Wallich's >>




https://youtu.be/tO7wLG-Qtas

http://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/r...hs-music-city/

Wallichs is spelled Wallichs.



Find A Grave

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by Scott Charles

It might just be me, GaylordWilshire, but I can't see the contents of your post. Maybe I'm missing some browser plug-in?

Not just you, I mentioned this the other day.

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

^^^

That's not showing up for me.

[Tourmaline]

Originally Posted by Los Angeles Past

Wallichs is spelled Wallichs.

You are, of course, correct that there is no apostrophe pictured on the various buildings and the vast majority of sources list the business as Wallichs Music City. However, page 728 of the 1956 directory lists the name for the Sunset-Vine business three ways, all of which contain an apostrophe, and one spelling even includes a "k." http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...00001/00000001 This later source may be an anomaly, but one suspects not the only instance.

https://bobsegarini.files.wordpress....music-city.jpg

http://blogs.dailybreeze.com/history...ncedrawing.jpg

[Earl Boebert]

Originally Posted by oldstuff

It is Houston Street in San Antonio, Texas. There was a Manhattan Café in San Antonio that had a white shiny tile front with black around the edges. The signs across the street "Carls" and so on are in San Antonio. The owner, Dan Anthony, began desegregation in San Antonio. There was a sign across the street that said "Hollywood" something which is probably where they got the idea that it was Hollywood, CA.

Oh, man, thanks for pointing that out, that picture was driving me nuts -- one of those "I should recognize that but for some reason I can't." My wife and I were married at the Randolph AFB chapel 55 years ago this September, and lived in San Antonio for three years where she worked in the downtown library -- arriving for work each day in hat and white gloves, the way it was done back then.

Cheers,

Earl

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by BDiH

Yes, The soundtrack to The Alamo was available at Wallich's in 1960, while the movie played at the Hollywood Theatre on Hollywood Boulevard at Highland Avenue.

I worked the singles counter (21 listening booths) and the LP counter in the 1960s. I had the afternoon shift from 5:30 pm until closing at 2:00 am. Most of the movie stars and recording artists came in after midnight when it was quiet.

We used to eat next door at Norm's (Morningside and Sunset) every night. I remember the Teenage Fair at the Palladium and NBC studios across the street. Pay was $2.00 an hour and my single apartment in Hollywood was $65.00 a month. No cable bills, no cell phone bills. Everything, from newspapers to coffee (in a cup and saucer at Biff's) to pay phone calls to shoe shines was a dime.

RCA moved from Vine and Selma to the new building on Sunset. The Cinerama Dome was new, and we watched it being built through the soundproof glass listening booths. Clyde Wallich lived at the newly built Ardmore Apartments on Whitley Avenue and Franklin Avenue. When Meet the Beatles was released, we had to wear Beatle wigs on the sales floor.
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Thanks for your reminiscence about working at Wallichs BDiH. It gives all the photos of the corner of Hollywood & Vine a personal touch now!

Quote: "Most of the movie stars and recording artists came in after midnight when it was quiet." Do you have any stories of any people you saw? Or just name drop few?

I wish you had a picture of yourself in the "Beatle Wig!"

Your post is the first mention I recall of a Norm's Restaurant near there. I know the La Cienega one was built in 1957. I looked on Norm's website and they have some history about the restaurants, but no photo of the one you frequented. Their website said that Norm Roybark opened his first restaurant at Sunset & Morningside in 1949! From the Norm's site: "NORMS made its debut in 1949 when Norm Roybark, a Los Angeles native, opened his first diner near the famed Hollywood corner of Sunset and Vine. As one of the few spots open 24/7, it didn’t take long before NORMS became the place to be."

I've been trying to find a photograph of this Norm's, but to no avail. (So far?) You mentioned watching the Cinerama Dome being built. I did find this aerial photo of it under construction. (July, 1963.) Several photos like this have been previously posted. I am assuming the little place across the street from the Dome's "shell" pictured here is that particular Norm's?

LAPL

If you watched the Cinerama Dome being built, did you also watch the NBC Building get torn down? As you may know, for several years I've been trying to locate a COLOR photo of the lobby mural inside the NBC Building. So I have to ask if you ever were inside that building and saw it in person? I have never come across anyone who's even seen it in person. Wouldn't it be amusing if I find someone who actually saw it and they say "No, it was painted in black & white." LOL!

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UPDATE: I found this postcard on the Los Angeles Theatres site that partially shows the Norm's at Sunset Blvd. and Morningside!

Los Angeles Theatres