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Old Posted Jun 12, 2018, 9:11 PM
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Yeah, Trammel Crow projects are hot garbage. Wish they would bring someone with an urban planning background onboard - the street activation, or lack therof, bothers me way more than the architecture (both are awful). I mean, this isn't even a pioneering part of town where retail would be questionable, it's Uptown!
Sure it's questionable. Not every urban street should be filled with ground-floor retail or you risk severe under-utilization of your retail component, empty storefronts and a lack of street-level activation. Vancouver is a good example of understanding this:

https://www.vox.com/2017/6/21/158155...amilies-cities

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But what we found is that retail doesn’t always work, nor should it be the default assumption. In downtown Vancouver, we have retail streets and non-retail streets — streets where the ground-floor use is expected to be retail or commercial, and other streets where we don’t want those uses at grade, because it could dilute the success of the retail street. You have to have a strong sense of how much retail space your population can support.
But what Alexan Uptown does poorly is provide a sense of residential privacy and a delineation between the public and private space. No elevated terraces, no garden screens, not enough sidewalk space, etc.

Then there's the lack of multi-bedroom apartments going up in our multi-family construction....
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Sure it's questionable. Not every urban street should be filled with ground-floor retail or you risk severe under-utilization of your retail component, empty storefronts and a lack of street-level activation. Vancouver is a good example of understanding this:

https://www.vox.com/2017/6/21/158155...amilies-cities



But what Alexan Uptown does poorly is provide a sense of residential privacy and a delineation between the public and private space. No elevated terraces, no garden screens, not enough sidewalk space, etc.

Then there's the lack of multi-bedroom apartments going up in our multi-family construction....
I'm certainly not saying every street frontage needed to have retail (although some transparency would be nice with amenity spaces, etc), but this building ignores 20 Ave. which very much is a retail street, and right on the park to boot. In the days I frequented the Horseshoe Lounge, I always hoped 20th would be developed as a walkable stretch of businesses/nightlife connecting Uptown to Downtown - developments like this just seem to lack any imagination and just say "screw it, squeeze in a few more units there". The same could be argued for 19th Ave.

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Sure it's questionable. Not every urban street should be filled with ground-floor retail or you risk severe under-utilization of your retail component, empty storefronts and a lack of street-level activation. Vancouver is a good example of understanding this:

But what Alexan Uptown does poorly is provide a sense of residential privacy and a delineation between the public and private space. No elevated terraces, no garden screens, not enough sidewalk space, etc.

Then there's the lack of multi-bedroom apartments going up in our multi-family construction....
Interesting (VOX) article about family housing and Vancouver. It made me recall a piece I read a couple of years ago about a developer who specialized in two- and three-bedroom unit buildings and they noted it was the niche with the most demand-supply imbalance. Rhys Duggan has indicated it's their intention to build 'family' housing when they develop River Mile. I know he's familiar with Vancouver so no doubt that's where the motivation comes from. I agree it's a big hole in the downtown tapestry.

With respect to ground floor retail I also recall reading the architectural challenges of trying to meet retailers needs; in fact many developers don't understand their needs. Plus, given the growing (Amazon) challenge of running a successful retail business just adds to the overall problem.

I also found a piece by Nolan Gray from January in well-regarded uban site Strong Towns (H/T to John Riecke) entitled: MIXED UP PRIORITIES FOR MIXED-USE BUILDINGS


I'm okay with TCR buildings just b/c they are providing more affordable housing but I was a bit taken aback with the short-changed sidewalk widths.

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In early 2017 Denver Infill had an article on a proposed mix-used project at the Bell-Tower location, including a potential "W" Hotel.

https://denverinfill.com/blog/tag/bell-park-mixed-use

The early conceptual drawings were pretty awesome:



It's largely been crickets since then, with the exception of a story in May that the site was under contract.

https://crej.com/news/bell-tower-site-under-contract/

The owner, Buzz Geller is quoted:

“I think it will be nice,” Geller said. “I can’t say for sure, but I don’t think it will look like what I planned. But I think the city and the LDDR (Lower Downtown Design Review Board) will demand that it is a significant, beautiful building.”

Anyone have any updates? Loved the initial conceptual designs.
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The owner, Buzz Geller is quoted:

“I think it will be nice,” Geller said. “I can’t say for sure, but I don’t think it will look like what I planned. But I think the city and the LDDR (Lower Downtown Design Review Board) will demand that it is a significant, beautiful building.”

Anyone have any updates? Loved the initial conceptual designs.
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I think I have officially lived here long enough now to know anything with the name "Buzz Geller" tagged with it is to be immediately written off as a no-go, conceptual project that has a -100% chance of getting built....

Why does anyone take this guy seriously anymore?
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2018, 3:31 PM
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Also, another article on the city's advancement of the River Mile concept....

https://coloradopolitics.com/denver-...nt-amazon-hq2/
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2018, 4:22 PM
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I'm certainly not saying every street frontage needed to have retail (although some transparency would be nice with amenity spaces, etc), but this building ignores 20 Ave. which very much is a retail street, and right on the park to boot. In the days I frequented the Horseshoe Lounge, I always hoped 20th would be developed as a walkable stretch of businesses/nightlife connecting Uptown to Downtown - developments like this just seem to lack any imagination and just say "screw it, squeeze in a few more units there". The same could be argued for 19th Ave.
I always felt that 17th and 19th were the high streets of Uptown, and 20th was meant to have more of a residential feel. But, I also frequented the area when the Horseshoe was the Painted Bench and the Fountain Bar so it certainly had a sleepier feel.
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I think I have officially lived here long enough now to know anything with the name "Buzz Geller" tagged with it is to be immediately written off as a no-go, conceptual project that has a -100% chance of getting built....

Why does anyone take this guy seriously anymore?


Could be right, but of course the linked story didn't say Buzz was developing the land but that the land was under contract to a third party and implying that "someone else" was developing the land. The most recent stories linked the Hines Corporation to the property. Hines has an impressive development record.


We will see!
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I always felt that 17th and 19th were the high streets of Uptown, and 20th was meant to have more of a residential feel. But, I also frequented the area when the Horseshoe was the Painted Bench and the Fountain Bar so it certainly had a sleepier feel.
The thing is Alexan has frontage on 19th as well -- which is like 80% deadspace with parking lot screening. It is as pedestrian unfriendly as you get -- and TCR designed it that way knowing the city was converting 19th and 20th to become more pedestrian friendly. It doesnt even have to be retail along 19th, but at least make it interact with the street. TCR just doesnt care --- about anything. There is zero thoughtfulness in any of their designs beyond cramming as many units and pools into a barge. And then they seeminlgy go through and see what they can do to the facade to make sure it sticks out like a turd.

As the surrounding neighborhood continues to develop with nice, activating designs like the Ace Hotel and Nava condos, the Alexan is just going to be that 'dead' block among a sea of pedestrian activity.

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Nice article on the Rockies project - https://www.denverpost.com/2018/06/1...redevelopment/

And the Catalyst on RiNo has attracted another major tenant - https://www.denverpost.com/2018/06/1...-neighborhood/
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Could be right, but of course the linked story didn't say Buzz was developing the land but that the land was under contract to a third party and implying that "someone else" was developing the land. The most recent stories linked the Hines Corporation to the property. Hines has an impressive development record.


We will see!
Assuming the land is in fact under contract Buzz is merely waiting for his closing check.

I'm skeptical Hines is involved. Somebody suggested PM Realty Group who recently finished The Confluence which would make sense. Like Hines, their HQ is in Houston.

Other prospects could include Holland Partners. While they've built more on the downtown periphery they have built high rises in Seattle. Interestingly Holland has a reported 18 properties in Denver against 14 in Seattle.

I have this gnawing feeling that it could be a local developer. Simpson comes to mind. Speaking of Hines, now that Trevor has gotten his feet wet he would presumably have the connections to pull off such a project. Continuum, East West Partners, David Zucker/Zocalo or even McWhinney? Somebody else?
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Nice article on the Rockies project - https://www.denverpost.com/2018/06/1...redevelopment/
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I hope they make a beer garden in that plaza. It would be such a chill night to go there and watch a Rockies (away) game lounging with a brew.
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A beer garden in an atrium sounds like the definition of hell for the residents upstairs.

The mix of housing and bars is tough in cities. Generally people like a little separation, aside from the few who can turn out "woo" people at 1:00 am.
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A beer garden in an atrium sounds like the definition of hell for the residents upstairs.

The mix of housing and bars is tough in cities. Generally people like a little separation, aside from the few who can turn out "woo" people at 1:00 am.
can you share the definition of a 'woo' person ?
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can you share the definition of a 'woo' person ?
From Urban Dictionary:A women usually between the ages of 18-24 who shows her excitement and fun that she is having with her friends by exalting with a "WOOO" usually in unison with 4-5 other whoo girls

LODO has these types in spades on weekend nights. You'll see them teetering on their high heels followed by the dude bros picking fights with each other.
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New concept plan submittal to Denver:

2018PM0000326 - Evans East - 1120 Acoma Street

Concept - The Evans East Project will be a 17 story residential apartment tower with ground level retail.


Holland Partner Group has this property under contract.
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New concept plan submittal to Denver:

2018PM0000326 - Evans East - 1120 Acoma Street

Concept - The Evans East Project will be a 17 story residential apartment tower with ground level retail.


Holland Partner Group has this property under contract.
Some nice infill on a big ugly parking lot right across from library.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/11...4d-104.9884809

It's funny, if you would have asked me 10 years ago where would the most infill go first - Golden Triangle or RiNo, i would have said Golden Triangle. I would have been wrong!

Golden Triangle is slowly starting to fill in, but lots of parking lots left!

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7344.../data=!3m1!1e3
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