Homicide stats in Canadian Cities - Page 58

PoscStudent · #**1141** Posted **Jul 30, 2011, 9:52 PM**

The two deaths this week in St. John's has been ruled a murder suicide, though I believe the two had a suicide pact.

I don't know how this works out then for our homicide rate?

theshark · #**1142** Posted **Jul 30, 2011, 11:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by PhilippeMtl

Edmonton is at 32...

what is the issue with Edmonton??

turf war going on????

Wooster · #**1143** Posted **Jul 30, 2011, 11:42 PM**

http://m.calgarysun.com/2011/07/29/e...h-32-homicides

The Sun trying to explain the differences between Edmonton and Calgary. I'm not sure I buy "blue collar people murder eachother and white collar do not"

Thoughts?

bulliver · #**1144** Posted **Jul 31, 2011, 7:30 PM**

That article and this 'Bill Pitt' guy are bullshit.

"'Everybody in this city is armed,' he said."

Uh, I'm not....

“It’s a culture of homicides in Edmonton here, they resolve problems in violent ways.”

That's right Bill, were all fucking crazy, and we just want to kill each other. Just yesterday some guy cut in front of my at Starbucks so I knifed him, then I went downtown and got in a gang-turf war. I'm not even in a gang, but hell, that's what we do here.

Coldrsx · #**1145** Posted **Jul 31, 2011, 7:32 PM**

What a guy... The violence is very much targeted and basically contained within 3 distinct groups.

If Anything I feel Edmonton is safer than past years, general crime/ violence is down over 20% if I recall.

bulliver · #**1146** Posted **Jul 31, 2011, 7:41 PM**

Yep, there is no "culture of homicide" in Edmonton. I'm tempted to go back through the media reports and tally how many of these 32 murders were between two strangers. I would be very surprised if it was more than 2-3 of them.

Dale · #**1147** Posted **Jul 31, 2011, 7:43 PM**

Is Edmonton's homicide rate historically higher than Calgary's ?

In any case, not that this is any consolation to Edmontonians, lots of mid-tier US cities would love to have Edmonton's homicide rate.

Blitz · #**1148** Posted **Jul 31, 2011, 8:16 PM**

Windsor now at 22 months without a homicide... would be great if we could hit the 2 year mark.

bulliver · #**1149** Posted **Jul 31, 2011, 8:23 PM**

^ Just don't let anyone from Edmonton in

stamps · #**1150** Posted **Jul 31, 2011, 8:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dale

Is Edmonton's homicide rate historically higher than Calgary's ?

In any case, not that this is any consolation to Edmontonians, lots of mid-tier US cities would love to have Edmonton's homicide rate.

Here is an article from canada.com regarding that subject..... http://www2.canada.com/story.html?id=5041104 .... I think both cities are fairly close and we both have to deal with transcient populations, which comes from having an economy that needs people and attracts a high number of migrants....

Coldrsx · #**1151** Posted **Jul 31, 2011, 9:58 PM**

Somali/ aboriginal/drug murders here are the top three I mentioned above and are responsible for the vast majority of this ridiculous number. Being the "gateway to the north" is a blessing and a curse.

Jarrod · #**1152** Posted **Aug 1, 2011, 1:27 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulliver

That article and this 'Bill Pitt' guy are bullshit.

"'Everybody in this city is armed,' he said."

Uh, I'm not....

“It’s a culture of homicides in Edmonton here, they resolve problems in violent ways.”

That's right Bill, were all fucking crazy, and we just want to kill each other. Just yesterday some guy cut in front of my at Starbucks so I knifed him, then I went downtown and got in a gang-turf war. I'm not even in a gang, but hell, that's what we do here.

I was going to say the samething. I'm also getting tired of the whole Calgary is better than Edmonton in everyway articles.

Anyway, sad to say, but we're now up to 33 homicides.

Winnipegger@Heart · #**1153** Posted **Aug 1, 2011, 4:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Somali/ aboriginal/drug murders here are the top three I mentioned above and are responsible for the vast majority of this ridiculous number. Being the "gateway to the north" is a blessing and a curse.

Winnipeg and Edmonton are very similar, except the majority of crime here involves aboriginals.

Xelebes · #**1154** Posted **Aug 1, 2011, 6:02 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulliver

That article and this 'Bill Pitt' guy are bullshit.

"'Everybody in this city is armed,' he said."

Uh, I'm not....

“It’s a culture of homicides in Edmonton here, they resolve problems in violent ways.”

That's right Bill, were all fucking crazy, and we just want to kill each other. Just yesterday some guy cut in front of my at Starbucks so I knifed him, then I went downtown and got in a gang-turf war. I'm not even in a gang, but hell, that's what we do here.

Bill Pitt seems to be the major backer of the knife ban that is being bandied about in City Hall. I find it a bit strange that they turn to him when commenting on the local crime situation.

Rusty van Reddick · #**1155** Posted **Aug 1, 2011, 6:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dale

Is Edmonton's homicide rate historically higher than Calgary's ?

In any case, not that this is any consolation to Edmontonians, lots of mid-tier US cities would love to have Edmonton's homicide rate.

1. Yes.
2. If Edmonton continues at this pace, it will have around 60 murders for 2011. This would give it a murder rate exceeding 8/100k. This is the highest of any Canadian city in history and higher than the murder rate in scores- hundreds- of American municipalities.

eternallyme · #**1156** Posted **Aug 1, 2011, 9:58 PM**

I still find the huge difference this year between Edmonton and Calgary so bizarre. Calgary is the larger city, yet has less than 1/10 the murder rate, which has to be the lowest for any major city (>500,000) in North America right now.

PhilippeMtl · #**1157** Posted **Aug 1, 2011, 10:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by eternallyme

I still find the huge difference this year between Edmonton and Calgary so bizarre. Calgary is the larger city, yet has less than 1/10 the murder rate, which has to be the lowest for any major city (>500,000) in North America right now.

Quebec City has a lowest rate.

Hardhatdan · #**1158** Posted **Aug 1, 2011, 11:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rusty van Reddick

1. Yes.
2. If Edmonton continues at this pace, it will have around 60 murders for 2011. This would give it a murder rate exceeding 8/100k. This is the highest of any Canadian city in history and higher than the murder rate in scores- hundreds- of American municipalities.

Come visit us up here Obvious Guy, I got a shank that wants to talk to you...did it move a bit when you typed that?
<rolleyes>

Bassic Lab · #**1159** Posted **Aug 1, 2011, 11:13 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardhatdan

Come visit us up here Obvious Guy, I got a shank that wants to talk to you...did it move a bit when you typed that?
<rolleyes>

Why? It's true. Edmonton does historically have a homicide rate that is larger than Calgary to the point where it is statistically relevant. This year is, of course, an outlier for both cities; Edmonton is having a disturbingly bad year so far while Calgary is lucking out. One can point out the two facts that Rusty did, that Edmonton usually has a worse rate and that this year is particularly bad even outside of a Canadian context, with neutrality and an absence of joy. I wouldn't be so quick to see an attack on Edmonton without some commentary in that direction. Facts can suck but they are still relevant.

As for Pitt's thesis to explain the usual discrepancy and this year's anomaly, yeah, it does seem more than a little bit flawed.

Jarrod · #**1160** Posted **Aug 3, 2011, 5:53 AM**

I'm sorry, but for fuck sakes... we're up to 34 murders now.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...842/story.html