Originally Posted by Prestige Worldwide
- Probably not much of a chance on the 'Tovrea' naming convention, we have a penchant for having station names that really stumble off the tongue. ex: 'Veterans Way and College Avenue at Arizona State University Main Campus'....ugh.
Agreed, a lot of the names are terrible. But, I plan to help change that!
When the Metro extensions to Downtown Mesa and up 19th Ave happen, they'll have to put up new signs at the stations as well as in the Train Cars. This will be a perfect time to update some of the awful, clunky names.
As I've bemoaned before, Phoenix/the Valley does a terrible job with place making. We need to entirely ditch this convention on the LRT of referring to stops by Cross Streets. Listing them in some places is fine, but I don't want the robotic lady saying things like "19th Avenue and Camelback"...it just seems so podunk, I've never seen any other City do it like that.
Two groups I'm involved in, the "Phoenix Historic Neighborhoods Coalition" and the "Thunderdome Neighborhood Association for Non Auto-Mobility" have tangential stakes in this issue, so I'm hoping to create a push for Metro to rename stations and re-do the station announcements in conjunction with the next extensions.
With all that said, lets discuss Station names. Many of them already have names, some of them good, some meh.
*= new station
19th Ave & Dunlap*= Not sure on this one, its still sort of in the Royal Palm area. There's a plaza there called "El Monte" but I'm not sure if there's any reason for that naming.
19th Ave & Northern*= Royal Palm
is the name of the adjacent neighborhood and park. They could potential do a "Royal Palm North" and Royal Palm South" stop for Dunlap & Northern. Though its somewhat confusing that "Royal Palm South" would be at a street called "Nothern"....hmm
19th Ave & Glendale*= Washington Park and Washington High are the nearest major attractions. I'm not sure if any of the neighborhoods directly adjacent have a set name/identity. Washington Park
would be an OK name though.
19th Ave & Montebllo= Christown
19th Ave & Camelback= Park Lee
. Why Park Lee? Well its the name of a huge apartment complex just Southeast of the Station that was designed by Ralph Haver. The area is also becoming something of an authentic little Asia, with tons of Vietnamese eateries, hair salons, as well as Korean, Japanese and Chinese businesses popping up. Both "Park" and "Lee" are Asian surnames, so it seems an ideal fit.
7th Ave & Camelback= Melrose
I'd drop the word "district" from the title in a perfect world.
Central & Camelback= Uptown
Central & Campbell= Central High
. I'd be open to changing this ones name, but I'm not sure to what. This stop also serves Brophy & Xavier, so maybe "High Schools" would be better.
Central & Indian School= Indian School
. Its currently called "Steele Indian School Park" which I find clunky. Just "Indian School" refers more to the history of the school and lets people know the park is there I think.
Central & Osborn= Park Central
Central & Thomas= Midtown
Central & Encanto= Heard Museum
. This stop is adjacent to the largest collection of Historic Neighborhoods, so I'd be open to the idea of calling it "Heard Museum & Historic Neighborhoods" to encourage more exploration of Willo, Alvarado, etc. But perhaps that makes it too clunky when the opposite is my goal.
Central & McDowell= Art Museum & Library
. When you exit and see a dirt lot and a CVS you hardly think of a "cultural district". I think just being more clear as to the two main attractions of the stop would be better.
Central and Roosevelt= Roosevelt Row
. Its already called Roosevelt Row, don't tweak that and call it "Roosevelt Arts District", thats confusing.
Central & Van Buren= ASU Downtown
Drop the word "Campus", its clunky and needless. Some might say to re-name this stop "Central Station", which would make some sense. But might hope is that when Commuter Rail/InterCity rail happens at Union Station it becomes the Central Bus Terminal as well and the City can give away/sell Central Station to be developed as a tower(s).
Central & Washington/1st & Jefferson= Downtown
Its currently called "City Hall", but how many people are heading to City Hall? I'm not sure. "Downtown" might be confusing, as there are indeed multiple stops with in downtown, but this is truly at the heart of Downtown.
3rd St & Washington/Jefferson= Convention Center & Stadiums
This stop seems to be currently referred to as Convention Center/Ballpark/Arena which is too much. But I do think its important that both those things are mentioned, I think my wording is a bit more concise.
12th St & Washington= Eastlake Park
Though if a 16th Stop is added, it becomes "Eastlake Park", which would mean this stop would likely have to be "Washington Row" or something.
24th St & Washington=I don't have a strong feel on this one, suggestions? At worst just call it "24th Street
38th St & Washington= Gateway Community College
44th St & Washington= Airport
. Alternatively "Sky Harbor" would be acceptable. But "Sky Harbor Airport" seems too wordy.
48th St & Washington*= Carraro Heights
. Tovrea Castle is the main attraction, but doesn't refer to the whole area. Carraro Heights could come to define the area bounded by the river bed, the 202 and the 143.
Priest & Washington= Papago Park
get rid of the word "center"
Center & Washington= I could go a either way on this one, maybe Mouer Park
or Town Lake
Mill Ave & 3rd St= Mill Avenue
Veterans Way & College Ave= Tempe Transportation Center
. As much as I love Sun Devil Stadium, perhaps naming it for the transit center is more clear.
University & Rural= ASU
Dorsey Lane & Apache= Hudson Manor
is the name of the neighborhood there, not sure why they didn't just call it that.
McClintock & Apache= I don't have a strong feel on this one, suggestions? At worst just call it "McClintock
Smith/Martin & Apache= East Tempe
Price Road & Apache= I'm not sure on this one either. Naming a Train station for a freeway seems depressing, but calling it "Loop 101
" or something similar likely makes most sense.
Dobson & Main St= Tri City
Alma School & Main*= West Mesa
probably makes the most sense. But there's a park nearby called Beverly Park, perhaps thats a potential name too.
Country Club & Main*= I don't have a strong feel on this one, suggestions? At worst just call it "Country Club
Center St & Main*= Downtown Mesa
Mesa Drive & Main*= This one is tricky. Directly adjacent to it is a small pocket park called Gateway Park, but its likely unworthy of having a station named after it. Pioneer Park
makes more sense even though its not directly adjacent. Obviously the LDS Temple is there too. So maybe Pioneer Park/Temple
or something is best...?
Additionally, I'd like to see maps with the area within half a mile (walking distance) of the station at each station. It could mention major attractions like Museums, the Temple, etc. Also point out where restaurant clusters are, historic neighborhoods, parks, shopping centers, etc.
Boston has this on the MBTA in their underground stations.We ought to at least have it on all the stations from Eastlake to Melrose, which are likely the areas people would be walking in. As well as from Mill Ave to ASU.
Anyhow, constructive criticism is welcome/encouraged.