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Old Posted May 12, 2017, 1:08 PM
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The business plan will likely be something along the lines of:

- The applicant has ties/experience back in China in some product area (as an example lets say it soap).
- They decided they are going to setup an import/wholesale business that buys soap in China and sells it in Canada.
- They need warehouse space. They buy one of these units.
- They hire a sales guy to cold call stores who sell soap and try to get them to buy the staff.
- Maybe they hire someone to re-package or label the soap.
- After three years, perhaps the business is successful. If so great, if not they shut it down and sell the property to someone else.

The Dundurn proposal was basically strata comercial units in a shopping centre geared around wholesale to market household and building products from China to North American retailer buys. The retail buyers would then list the product in their own stores and sell to consumers.
Alternate plan.

- Company forms in Canada with aim to get title to land.
- Company finds more companies in China that want to get their capital out of the country.
- Company claims great opportunities in Canada.
- Company in China is convinced buys unit.
- Company in China "sets up shop" and does more or less nothing.
- Company in China waits three years and sells unit/business for a loss.
- Company owners leave Saskatchewan.
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Old Posted May 12, 2017, 1:55 PM
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Alternate plan.

- Company forms in Canada with aim to get title to land.
- Company finds more companies in China that want to get their capital out of the country.
- Company claims great opportunities in Canada.
- Company in China is convinced buys unit.
- Company in China "sets up shop" and does more or less nothing.
- Company in China waits three years and sells unit/business for a loss.
- Company owners leave Saskatchewan.
Yes, that sounds accurate.

Not certain about Saskatchewan, but in BC these programs have had some less that ideal outcomes. The program in BC has typically focused on buying existing business and adding at least one new Canadian employee. You end up with small business in small town BC that are purchased buy people who are less interested in the long-term viability of the business and more interested in immigration and then dump the business three year later. Not good for the long term employees that may have worked for that company for decades or the small community that depends on the services that business provides. The SK model you describe has less of an impact on the local community.
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Well, they do require "a well thought-out idea to ensure that the business has a reasonable chance of success..." and a business plan.

At the moment (and based on the Dundurn experience), GTEC is far from a well thought-out business, viable or otherwise.

A "business" established solely to hold immigrants' money while securing SINP nomination shouldn't earn many points on the grid. But, we all know assessments such as this are subjective.
I've seen the "well thought-out" businesses along 11th between Broad and Sask Drive and elsewhere. Other than the rub and tugs, they all fail.
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Alternate plan.

- Company forms in Canada with aim to get title to land.
- Company finds more companies in China that want to get their capital out of the country.
- Company claims great opportunities in Canada.
- Company in China is convinced buys unit.
- Company in China "sets up shop" and does more or less nothing.
- Company in China waits three years and sells unit/business for a loss.
- Company owners leave Saskatchewan.
LOL - exactly.

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I've seen the "well thought-out" businesses along 11th between Broad and Sask Drive and elsewhere. Other than the rub and tugs, they all fail.
Yep - that's the subjective part I was referring to.
Sask: "This business plan is turrible! - it's scratched on a napkin in crayon."
Immigrant Investor: "I have boatloads of money."
Sask: "This business plan is well thought out!"
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Ford to build new auto parts warehouse and distribution centre south of Edmonton
http://globalnews.ca/news/3457270/fo...h-of-edmonton/

But...but...but... the GTH is "the most competitively-priced land in Western Canada," and "[provides] comprehensive, one-stop service at every stage," with "immediate access to world-class rail and highway infrastructure," "

I'm so confused.
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Ford to build new auto parts warehouse and distribution centre south of Edmonton
http://globalnews.ca/news/3457270/fo...h-of-edmonton/

But...but...but... the GTH is "the most competitively-priced land in Western Canada," and "[provides] comprehensive, one-stop service at every stage," with "immediate access to world-class rail and highway infrastructure," "

I'm so confused.
MAJOR fail by the Saskatchewan government and a complete missed opportunity!
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Ford to build new auto parts warehouse and distribution centre south of Edmonton
http://globalnews.ca/news/3457270/fo...h-of-edmonton/

But...but...but... the GTH is "the most competitively-priced land in Western Canada," and "[provides] comprehensive, one-stop service at every stage," with "immediate access to world-class rail and highway infrastructure," "

I'm so confused.
I mean I'm in 100% agreement that the GTH is a joke that should be put out of its misery.

But Edmonton already has a Ford distribution centre, so it's no wonder they get a new one.
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I mean I'm in 100% agreement that the GTH is a joke that should be put out of its misery.

So you you want to put a thousand people out of work and there misery such a nice gentleman you are
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I mean I'm in 100% agreement that the GTH is a joke that should be put out of its misery.

So you you want to put a thousand people out of work and there misery such a nice gentleman you are
Pretty sure he is referring to the land development entity of the Government and not the existing businesses like Loblaw.
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The provincial government should stop throwing any more money into the GTH, and just turn it over to the city. There's no use pretending the GTH will ever be anything more than a regular industrial zone.
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Pretty sure he is referring to the land development entity of the Government and not the existing businesses like Loblaw.
Sigh, yes.

The GTH needn't be a provincial org with 11 employees! (Of which none have development experience whatsoever!). The GTH has to be the cushiest job in the world, travel the world, sell one plot of land a year, great in investment Saskatchewan!

It can be converted in a general industrial park and forgotten about.
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Sigh, yes.

The GTH needn't be a provincial org with 11 employees! (Of which none have development experience whatsoever!). The GTH has to be the cushiest job in the world, travel the world, sell one plot of land a year, great in investment Saskatchewan!

It can be converted in a general industrial park and forgotten about.
Despite being completely overstaffed, the number of meetings the GTH had in the early days trying to assign work to non-prov gov't "partners" was stunning.

Often, these "partners":
- didn't know they were partners;
- had no economic/business incentive to help out;
- were assigned work by the GTH staff... work that absolutely should have been done by the GTH staff (because they were typically Highways employees with no development experience at all, it was completely outside of their wheelhouse... so they tried to offload it onto "partners")
- were not given direction - typically due to confidentiality agreements - on how the GTH would like them to assist

"Cool - you've convinced us - we're on-board... please provide specifics on how we can assist."
"We can't... it's confidential."
[1 week later]
"How's that thing you agreed to help out with coming along - the minister's asking."
"[blink, blink, blink]...we haven't done anything, because you wouldn't tell us anything."
"But the minister's asking."
"Riiiiiiight... good luck with that [click]."

The GTH people didn't even seem to have basic project management skills, understanding of the labour market (let's lure businesses to Sask in the middle of a labour shortage (2010/11), and promise that we have the skilled workforce they need... even though we demonstrably do not. Certainly not at a wage level they're willing to pay), nor relationship-building skills.

Fold the provincial organization, turn the land into an industrial park, & transfer it to the City (if they'll take it).
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Despite being completely overstaffed, the number of meetings the GTH had in the early days trying to assign work to non-prov gov't "partners" was stunning.

Often, these "partners":
- didn't know they were partners;
- had no economic/business incentive to help out;
- were assigned work by the GTH staff... work that absolutely should have been done by the GTH staff (because they were typically Highways employees with no development experience at all, it was completely outside of their wheelhouse... so they tried to offload it onto "partners")
- were not given direction - typically due to confidentiality agreements - on how the GTH would like them to assist

"Cool - you've convinced us - we're on-board... please provide specifics on how we can assist."
"We can't... it's confidential."
[1 week later]
"How's that thing you agreed to help out with coming along - the minister's asking."
"[blink, blink, blink]...we haven't done anything, because you wouldn't tell us anything."
"But the minister's asking."
"Riiiiiiight... good luck with that [click]."

The GTH people didn't even seem to have basic project management skills, understanding of the labour market (let's lure businesses to Sask in the middle of a labour shortage (2010/11), and promise that we have the skilled workforce they need... even though we demonstrably do not. Certainly not at a wage level they're willing to pay), nor relationship-building skills.

Fold the provincial organization, turn the land into an industrial park, & transfer it to the City (if they'll take it).
Yeah but wait until the 2 billion dollar highway is complete! the businesses will start pouring in. That's all that's needed don't you know?
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Geoff Leo does it again...

The China Connection
How the Saskatchewan government partnered with a company linked to a businessman who was wanted by China for fraud

"[The CBC's investigation] has found an immigration company run by a man who was wanted by the Chinese government for fraud. That company, which is closely affiliated with Brightenview, has shattered dreams and torn apart families.

This affiliation is raising a host of questions about the provincial government and its due diligence.
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Geoff Leo does it again...

The China Connection
How the Saskatchewan government partnered with a company linked to a businessman who was wanted by China for fraud

"[The CBC's investigation] has found an immigration company run by a man who was wanted by the Chinese government for fraud. That company, which is closely affiliated with Brightenview, has shattered dreams and torn apart families.

This affiliation is raising a host of questions about the provincial government and its due diligence.
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Sigh.... sadly I don't think any of this comes as a surprise to any of us. I don't know which would be worse though:

1) If this news comes as a surprise to the government
2) If this news doesn't come as a surprise to the government

either scenario is troubling
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Sigh.... sadly I don't think any of this comes as a surprise to any of us. I don't know which would be worse though:

1) If this news comes as a surprise to the government
2) If this news doesn't come as a surprise to the government

either scenario is troubling

...this didn't occur to me. You're right - either scenario is really troubling.

The story Leo describes would cause a reasonable person to consider whether Brightenview should be examined closer for immigration fraud - given connections with Canmex & its sketchy dealings (which - while not proven in court - would absolutely be immigration fraud, if accurate). Fraudsters often create a series of companies to obscure the truth/create plausible deniability. They also like to create new companies when the previous one(s) start to attract too much attention (by the public, regulators, government, law enforcement, etc).

That the provincial government actually had officials warning that Canmex was committing immigration fraud should have set off alarm bells for GTH staff & political staffers (setting aside the fact that Brightenview actively referred to Canmex in their Dundurn & GTH documents until recently, a basic backgrounder on Brightenview's leadership would've turned up their connection to Canmex, and the concerns people were raising about it).
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Dishonesty, hidden costs taint Wall's big GTH dreams
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Published on: April 25, 2017 | Last Updated: April 25, 2017 6:38 AM CST

The Global Transportation Hub wasn’t supposed to be this way.


When the newly minted Saskatchewan Party simply referred to it as “intermodal facility” or “inland port,” the GTH was to be Premier Brad Wall’s shiny seal of approval for his new Saskatchewan. And the buy-in was enormous.


“The most significant project ever seen in southern Saskatchewan is the Regina Inland Port and multi-modal facility,” gushed Regina mayor Pat Fiacco in December 2008, at what was then known as the Canadian Pacific Railway’s intermodal facility.

The former Regina mayor was certainly one to gush, but one could hardly fault his enthusiasm. Getting CP’s container yard out of the middle of the city was — and still is — a very big deal.

Redeveloping those 20 acres of CP land would “tie in perfectly with the revitalization of downtown” said Fiacco, citing back in 2008 not only the possibility of a $500-million permanent domed football stadium (perhaps on the CP site), but also how getting the CP yards out of the Regina downtown was a perfect fit with the new Saskatchewan Transportation Company (STC) head office and bus terminal. Uh huh.

And an inland port where the CPR mainline, Soo Line, the Trans-Canada Highway and Highways 6 and 11 meet made sense for the whole province. It seemed to make even more sense in July 2008, when Loblaw Companies announced its GTH plans for a $350-million, one-million-square-foot distribution facility that would employ 750 people by 2010 and 1,500 by now.




“It’s a game-changer for us,” said Wall at the 2011 CP intermodal/GTH sod-turning announcement, calling the GTH “one of the most important economic development projects for, I think, generations.” Saskatchewanians should ready themselves for more good-news announcements at the GTH, Wall said.


But that was before GTH private-tenant deals like the one with Kal Tire fell through.

That was before Wall’s government started pumping more and more dollars into the project while simultaneously ordering Crown corporations to backfill otherwise unoccupied GTH space.

Perhaps there is some logic in the Saskatchewan Liquor and Gaming Authority needing GTH distribution space. However, what’s the viable explanation for why SaskPower, suddenly in 2013, desperately needed $25 million worth of GTH land that the electricity utility now says it is unlikely to develop? Coincidentally, the deal was done about the time then-SaskPower and GTH minister Bill Boyd had to ensure the GTH had enough cash to cover the GTH’s cost of purchasing 204 acres at $103,000 an acre.

Ah, yes, all this was before the GTH became synonymous with that now rather nefarious $21-million land purchase — a vast overpayment, says provincial auditor Judy Ferguson, that made political and business associates of Boyd and the Sask. Party $6 million and $5 million, respectively.

Wall has vehemently defended all this, disingenuously arguing GTH land is worth as much as $220,000 an acre.

Well, that depends on who you are. Sometimes, GTH land is worth nothing.

The CBC’s Geoff Leo has revealed a confidential document showing the Ministry of Highways agreed to provide CP with 300 acres of serviced, GTH land “at no cost to CP and free and clear of all encumbrance … in consideration of CP’s contribution to the project.”

Even though the Saskatchewan Information and Privacy Commissioner has said it should do so, the Wall government has refused to release the above information in its eight-year-old, 2009 contract with CP now detailed by the CBC. It has cited CP’s confidentiality,

Yes, taxpayers. In our finest 125-year-Canadian tradition, you have gifted the CPR with more free land — $66 million worth, if you use Wall’s estimate of $220,000 an acre. (CP already got $7.5 million for selling its downtown land to the City of Regina). And his government wasn’t going to bother to tell you?

Admittedly, one wouldn’t expect CP to relocate for nothing. Moreover, GTH’s inland port/intermodal facility concept remains a solid concept. Who knows? Maybe one day it will all pay for itself.
But right now, Wall’s big GTH dream is tainted with scandal, dishonesty and failure to disclose.

Murray Mandryk is the political columnist for the Regina Leader-Post.

mmandryk@leaderpost.com
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Does anyone know the status of the Loblaws warehouse? Has it reached its full potential (ie: 1500 employees)? Or is it operating at less than expected volume? I can see Pinkie Road from my high-rise and I don't seem to see as many trucks travelling down this road. But then again, I don't spend much time looking.
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Brad is a self-serving jerk. I'd call him an idiot but he's doing an excellent job lining his and friends pockets with money.

To quote Vogon Prostetnic Jeltz: "death's too good for them."
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Brad is a self-serving jerk. I'd call him an idiot but he's doing an excellent job lining his and friends pockets with money.

To quote Vogon Prostetnic Jeltz: "death's too good for them."
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