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Old Posted Mar 3, 2017, 8:07 PM
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The problem with trying to change behaviour with a gas tax is that people don't associate the penalty with an individual trip. They fill up once every week or two and gripe about the cost of gas, but they don't think about it each day that they drive.

Associating a cost with a particular trip or with distance traveled makes a huge difference in the psychology of the penalty. When I was driving car share vehicles I was acutely aware of every minute spent waiting in congestion, and I made sure I got the maximum value out of every trip.

This is why the bridge tolls have had such a big impact on traffic volumes. People know exactly what they're paying each time they cross that bridge, and will often go to irrational lengths to avoid it.
The local municipality should not be in the business of social engineering or trying to change the behavior of their constituents. Actually not to sound like a broken record player but they don't imo have the mandate.
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The local municipality should not be in the business of social engineering or trying to change the behavior of their constituents. Actually not to sound like a broken record player but they don't imo have the mandate.
Every municipal government does this. The reason they chose to tax certain things and not other. The reason they use to fund certain projects and not others.

You either charge a flat fee for water or you meter water. One strategy has one social engineering outcome the other has a different. Vancouver is a good example of this.

You have a place like calgary that offers free LRT in the downtown core. It causes one outcome.

Saskatoon most new subdivisions are planned communicates done by the municipal government. Zoning dictates sidewalks, front decks, certain size buildings etc. It is all social engineering.
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2017, 10:29 PM
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Yeah, I've always believed a big role for government to play is to push society in a way that is objectively better (as determined by various metrics). Most government policy is designed to act in such a way that it guides us in the right direction so we don't have to constantly be thinking out long term issues. And we hold the government accountable for this (ideally) every time there is an election.
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The local municipality should not be in the business of social engineering or trying to change the behavior of their constituents. Actually not to sound like a broken record player but they don't imo have the mandate.
The local municipality cannot provide infinite road capacity. When capacity runs out they need to turn to measures to limit congestion. That means discouraging single occupancy vehicles and encouraging transit.

If you're not happy with that, then you might need to move to somewhere less populated.
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2017, 6:32 PM
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If we need the extra cash, we can always dust off the HST, and privatize ICBC and BC Liquor. (and potentially BC Hydro and FortisBC?)

But of course, politics is politics. Hard decisions tend not to be made until the last minute.


PPP isn't government debt. If government doesn't have a share in the company, the risk is placed to the public sector. Thus the government gets no debt, and the company that faced that risk is the one who pays up the debt.



Unless America stops its obsession with everything big, that's not happening.

We try to distinguish ourselves from our neighbors to the south, but let's face it. The USA probably has more influence on us than we have on our ourselves.
in theory, 3P should not create government debt but in reality, governments are on the hook for cost overruns and underutilization costs. Plus also government is on the hook to complete if the 3P group falters. Example of this the PM1 was 3P but ended up being financed by province, and the province has to top up do to low user numbers. The only winner is the Private Companies that build.
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