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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 9:02 PM
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The harbour gets shallower to the east, so there are less areas that are ideal for deepwater docks.

Shallower than the Fraser, where there are smaller ports in Surrey?
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 9:41 PM
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 9:47 PM
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And yet we have Pacific Coast Terminals at Port Moody, at the shallowest segment of it as well...
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2017, 9:53 AM
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Overpass planned for Vancouver port expansion to block view of iconic Rogers Sugar warehouse
http://www.straight.com/news/867541/...ugar-warehouse


Future view of Rogers Sugar warehouse from Powell Street overpass with proposed Centennial Road overpass on the left.
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http://www.straight.com/news/867541/...ugar-warehouse
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2017, 10:08 AM
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Whooo cares, view was already blocked by the Powell Street overpass.

It needs to be done.
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I guess we are going to have to make Roger's Sugar warehouse view cones now.

It is not as if the entire view will be gone either. Also, it is an industrial building in an industrial area.

Curious, did the Straight do a similar article about losing the view of BC place Stadium behind all the new towers around Cambie Bridge? Or are they just focusing on this because its a road structure....

Either way it is federal property so there is nothing the city can do about this.
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I've got to say it's too bad they're doing all these little viaducts piecemeal.

Adding them all together you have an almost completely grade separated Waterfront Rd. It's like an unintentional almost freeway, where they probably should have just put a proper freeway.
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I've got to say it's too bad they're doing all these little viaducts piecemeal.

Adding them all together you have an almost completely grade separated Waterfront Rd. It's like an unintentional almost freeway, where they probably should have just put a proper freeway.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2017, 8:19 PM
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I've got to say it's too bad they're doing all these little viaducts piecemeal.

Adding them all together you have an almost completely grade separated Waterfront Rd. It's like an unintentional almost freeway, where they probably should have just put a proper freeway.
The ground level is still used for access to various companies and needs to stay. The real question is why did they take so long to build this second overpass over the vanterm/agt rails. Rail switches cause huge back ups for 20-50+ minutes several times per day and these overpasses just completely solve the problem.
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Centerm Expansion Group Meeting Info

I attended one of the small group discussions for the proposed Centerm Expansion yesterday.

The following is what I managed to pick up:
The largest ships that can be docked are Neo Panamax vessels. This is due to both the height of the Lion's Gate bridge, and the shallowness of the narrows. There was a study that was conducted to see if it was feasible to raise the bridge deck, however it was deemed so outlandish that it would be more realistic to appeal to cruise ships that could raise and lower their upper decks.

Rising sea levels are not being factored into this current plan, and raising the land would be a very costly option. The current diesel cranes will be phased out for cranes that are both electric powered and have a longer/deeper reach. Centerm will also be expanding the shore power program to cargo ships. Initially only one dock will have the capability, but the second morage will have a charge station added when needed.

Currently there is not a defined community contribution amount. Discussions so far have lead to funding ideas for Crab Park and various community programs in the surrounding neighborhoods. There was a member of the park board, Catherine Evans, in attendance at this meeting. The idea of a pedestrian crossing between Crab Park and Gastown has been discussed. There are also discussions with Translink over providing some sort of service for employees in the port area.

One other aspect that the Port has not looked at in any capacity is where they would prefer/veto a third Burrard Crossing; it simply hasn't been on their radar.

Unfortunately, I have to say attendance for both this small discussion and a larger open house were underwhelming. The Open House at SFU was virtually unattended by members of the public. The small form discussion did have a good turn out, but consisted of individuals who seemed to come in with set agenda's unrelated to the project. Those who hate the rail companies, who want port operations moved to the valley with the current facility serving as an unloading facility only, and even one person who advocated that the port should be shut down because globalization is bad.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2017, 4:29 AM
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I attended one of the small group discussions for the proposed Centerm Expansion yesterday.
Very interesting, thanks for taking the time to relay what you learned.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2017, 5:37 AM
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They are accepting feedback until the 24th so feel free to email comments in. Heres some additional notes for those interested.

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Centerm Expansion Project
Rogers Sugar Warehouse, “A” building on VHR
Ballantyne Pier Shed No.1, “A” building on VHR
Mission to Seafarers, “A” building on VHR and municipally designated The Vancouver Fraser Port Authority (VFPA) has received a project permit application from the VFPA Infrastructure Delivery Centerm Expansion Project team to construct an expansion to the Centerm container terminal at 777 Centennial Road in Vancouver.
The project seeks to increase the terminal throughput by expanding the terminal footprint used to store and transfer containers, and through a suite of reconfigurations and investment in equipment at the site. The project also includes off-terminal improvements in the area,
including investments in road and rail infrastructure.
The VFPA is a federal agency and is both the applicant and the approving authority for this application. The VFPA is seeking input from Stakeholders including the City the proposed project activities and components include:

Marine
•Expanding the land area at both the west and east ends of the existing terminal. Approximately 4.2 hectares (ha) of marine area will be infilled on the west and 4 ha on the east;
•In -water marineworks include dredging to remove unstable substrates;
•Constructing new rock dykes;
•Infilling open water areas within the dykes;
•Dredging to enhance a navigational turning basin for the East Canada Place cruise ship berth in the area between Centerm and the SeaBus south terminal.

Land
•Removing existing warehouse structures and rehabilitating the Ballantyne Pier (while retaining the Ballantyne Pier heritage façade and constructing a new office and operations building);
•Reconfiguring the terminal intermodal yard to extend the existing tracks;
•Removing the Heatley Avenue Overpass;
•Reconfiguring the terminal container yard;
•Establishing new storage facilities, increasing terminal parking;
•Reconfiguring the terminal entrance area;
•Upgrading terminal control systems and yard equipment;
•Replacing two quay cranes with larger versions, installing up to five new electrified rail mounted gantry cranes, and;
•Adding up to 20 new diesel-powered internal transfer vehicles.

Off-Terminal
•Constructing an overpass to the entrance of the terminal (Centennial Road Overpass or CROP);
•Removal of the Southern Railway rail crossing at Centennial Road;
•Rail yard modifications to the CP tracks south of the terminal;
•Westward extension to Waterfront Road.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2017, 10:13 PM
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I attended one of the small group discussions for the proposed Centerm Expansion yesterday.

...

Unfortunately, I have to say attendance for both this small discussion and a larger open house were underwhelming. The Open House at SFU was virtually unattended by members of the public. The small form discussion did have a good turn out, but consisted of individuals who seemed to come in with set agenda's unrelated to the project. Those who hate the rail companies, who want port operations moved to the valley with the current facility serving as an unloading facility only, and even one person who advocated that the port should be shut down because globalization is bad.
That is the standard thing to happen with open houses. Unless you have property directly impacted, and thus have a reason to be there, the most typical open house will be people pushing a NIMBY agenda, even if they are not impacted.

In the long term, the terminals may eventually have to be moved, or rebuilt since changes in sea level will eventually make old terminals too dangerous to be used. However short of a tsunami wrecking everything, the terminals are going to stay.

However most climate change models regarding sea level don't apply to the Pacific coast the same way they do to the Gulf coast or Atlantic coast. The Atlantic coast is literately sinking. The Pacific coast is rising, and until the megathrust earthquake we are overdue for happens, there won't be any sudden rapid changes in sea level.

The worst case scenario is that all the ice melts on earth and places like the ports and Richmond end up 50 meters under water. That is not going to be a high-speed event.
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2017, 5:11 AM
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We will have grown gills by that time and land will have no meaning to us as a species.

The only part of the Rogers Building now worth looking at is the top portion and this won't do much that hasn't already been "ruined" by the new overpass.

And please send me a message the last time anyone at CoV cared about industrial buildings (look at False Creek, Mount Pleasant...)
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2017, 5:32 AM
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Whooo cares, view was already blocked by the Powell Street overpass.

It needs to be done.
Agree.
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