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Old Posted Mar 10, 2017, 3:49 AM
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Reading this thead...thank goodness the Ports fall under National jurisdiction and are not at the mercy of civic governments.
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So, if getting rid of capacity is not the answer, what about double decking rail lines? Have these owned by Translink for WCE.
Some railway lines are owned by BC Hydro and date back to when they operated street cars. I believe most of these have now been sold or leased with BC Hydro retaining some type of right of usage. The old BC Rail lines are in a similar boat.

A great way of double decking them would be elevated railways. Something along the lines of Skytrain. At that point the discussions shifts into another thread.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2017, 4:54 AM
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Some railway lines are owned by BC Hydro and date back to when they operated street cars. I believe most of these have now been sold or leased with BC Hydro retaining some type of right of usage. The old BC Rail lines are in a similar boat.

A great way of double decking them would be elevated railways. Something along the lines of Skytrain. At that point the discussions shifts into another thread.
Not if they are mainline constructed. I imagine once you get beyond those really bad choke points, the elevation could end and it could run with the rest of the train traffic.

It would still be heavy rail.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2017, 6:09 AM
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Reading this thead...thank goodness the Ports fall under National jurisdiction and are not at the mercy of civic governments.
yes, yes, YES, YES, YES and YES

we need a Like button. or a +1 button.


some of your guy's ideas, im sorry,
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2017, 4:09 PM
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Some railway lines are owned by BC Hydro and date back to when they operated street cars. I believe most of these have now been sold or leased with BC Hydro retaining some type of right of usage. The old BC Rail lines are in a similar boat.
BC Rail still exists and owns and dispatches about 40km of the track that services Roberts Bank. That track was supposed to be sold, but there were irregularities with the bidding process and the sale was ever completed. And I've heard that none of the railways that use the line trust any of the other railways not to grant themselves preferential treatment, so they're very happy with the status quo.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2017, 4:53 PM
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This may be a fantasy moot point but hear me out. Has the idea ever been floated to relocate the port facilities that are in downtown Vancouver to a new modern facility south of the Fraser, perhaps in Delta, Surrey or Richmond? Is there space on Westham island or Kirkland island if they built up the land to prevent future flooding?

You would need deep water. Anything near the river would need to be way out in the Straight just like Roberts Bank, or require regular dredging to keep in service. Roberts Bank is about 5km from the natural coast line.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2017, 7:34 PM
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Not if they are mainline constructed. I imagine once you get beyond those really bad choke points, the elevation could end and it could run with the rest of the train traffic.

It would still be heavy rail.
Completely true, some bypasses etc would be expensive but I certainly don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.
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Honestly the level of discourse on this forum is really falling off a cliff lately.
Agreed.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2017, 2:24 AM
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Some railway lines are owned by BC Hydro and date back to when they operated street cars. I believe most of these have now been sold or leased with BC Hydro retaining some type of right of usage. The old BC Rail lines are in a similar boat.

A great way of double decking them would be elevated railways. Something along the lines of Skytrain. At that point the discussions shifts into another thread.
BC Hydro never sold any of the right of way. They just sold the running rights to CP and SRY. Similarly, CN bought the running rights and the rolling stock/certain pieces of land from BC Rail and not the right of way.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2017, 5:51 AM
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BC Hydro never sold any of the right of way. They just sold the running rights to CP and SRY. Similarly, CN bought the running rights and the rolling stock/certain pieces of land from BC Rail and not the right of way.
Exactly the province (through the crowns) still owns the right of way. That is pretty good leverage to force the railways that operate on that land to play nice with the passenger railways.
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2017, 6:19 AM
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Interesting article on whistle cessation.

6 March 2017
New Westminster Seeks to Silence Train Whistles Downtown

New Westminster British Columbia - Downtown residents may soon be sleeping a little sounder.

New Westminster city council has approved a recommendation prohibiting whistles at Begbie and Front Street plus Fourth Street and Front Street crossings, unless an emergency exists, or a railway safety inspector orders whistle use under a section of the Railway Safety Act.

"It's been a long time coming," said Mayor Jonathan Cote.

"We have been working for a number of years on a whistle cessation program. This is the first achievement, but hopefully it will be the first of a number of crossings where we are able to get the whistles to stop."

Roger Emanuels, the city's manager of design and construction, said the city has been working closely with Transport Canada (TC) and the four railway companies operating in New Westminster, Canadian National, Canadian Pacific, Southern Railway of B.C., and Burlington Northern Santa Fe.

Safety audits have been done to determine what's required to achieve whistle cessation at crossings in the city.

According to a staff report, the cost of improvements at the two downtown crossings was $1,271,000, which was funded out of the city's 2016 capital budget.

Emanuels said the city has been working on city-wide whistle cessation since 2011.

"We have allocated $3.75 million for the improvement of crossings," he said.

"There is a total of 22 crossings in the city. Of those, 13 are public crossings and the public crossings are the type of crossings where we require bells, lights, and gates in order to obtain cessation of the whistling."

In addition to costs associated with preparing crossings for whistle cessation, Emanuels said there will also be annual costs for operating and maintaining equipment at these crossings.

Along with the two downtown crossings, the city is also working to put an end to train whistles at crossings in Queensborough, the West End, Sapperton, Derwent Way and Salter Street, Ewen Avenue and Stanley Street, Ewen Avenue and Mercer Street, Ewen Avenue and Furness Street, Ewen Avenue and Brookes Street, 20th Stret and River Drive, Quayside Drive and Laguna Court, Cumberland Street and Columbia Street, Spruce Street and Brunette Avenue, Braid Street and Brunette Avenue, (two sets of crossings at this location.)

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Old Posted Apr 24, 2017, 6:13 PM
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Although not directly related to Vancouver, there's an interesting show on what's happening in Texas and bullet trains: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/v...lway/20170407/

A privately built potentially profitable bullet train.
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2017, 9:02 PM
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Although not directly related to Vancouver, there's an interesting show on what's happening in Texas and bullet trains: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/v...lway/20170407/

A privately built potentially profitable bullet train.
I've been following the project fairly closely and I'm still not sure that the project will actually be completed. However, if we actually see N700 bullet trains running in this corridor that could be a game changer for HSR in North America and we might see a proliferation similar (but on a smaller scale) to LRT to several other optimal corridors.
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Old Posted May 7, 2017, 3:17 AM
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I'm surprised this is not being covered anywhere else:
The possibility of a private or PPP high speed commuter train on the Sea to Sky corridor.

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/high-...amish-whistler
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Old Posted May 7, 2017, 4:23 AM
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Say what? If Portland-Seattle-Vancouver is considered uneconomical, Vancouver-Squamish-Whistler makes even less sense.
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Old Posted May 7, 2017, 5:27 AM
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From last November:

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Getting between the Sea to Sky Corridor and the Lower Mainland could become faster if a plan for high-speed rail gathers steam.

Proponents from Sqomish Sea to Sky Developments and Matthews Southwest are looking into the possibility of high-speed rail to connect Vancouver and Whistler. At this point, the plan is to weigh the merits of the idea through a feasibility study.

“We think for a lot of different reasons it makes sense,” said John Matthews, project manager for Matthews Southwest. “It’s a real quality of life issue… It is 21st century development.”

They have approached the District of Squamish, the Squamish First Nation, Whistler, the Lil’wat Nation and the Squamish-Lillooet Regional District.

As to where the idea goes next, if it proceeds, will depend on higher levels of government.

Matthews said they will look at garnering support at the provincial level as well exploring potential federal government infrastructure funding.

The feasibility study, he explained, will examine questions such as potential costs, ridership and routes. Of the latter, he said it is likely a route would require some existing right-of-way as well as new track, although the study will answer these questions.

“We’ll be pulling in a team of experts,” Matthews said.

As well, the process will provide his company with a better idea of how and if it will be involved with any further development of plans. He hopes a study could be done in approximately 10 weeks, although he adds there are too many factors at present to consider.

Matthews Southwest already has a presence in the region, working with Sqomish Sea to Sky Developments on projects like the Squamish Oceanfront. It has offices in the metro area of Dallas, Texas, as well as Calgary, Mississauga and Dubai.

Many of its developments are commercial and residential, but it is currently in the early stages of a high-speed rail project connecting Dallas and Houston. What is currently a four-hour ride by automobile should be cut down to about an hour by rail.

Some U.S. states such as California and Florida have begun to look at high-speed rail, though Matthews realizes the concept is far less familiar to North Americans than it would be to people in places like Europe and Japan.

“We’d be using Japanese technology,” Matthews added.

He is hoping the plan can do for the Sea to Sky area what it will do in Texas and cut down potential travel time to and from Whistler and Vancouver from three hours down to approximately one hour.

In recent months, there has been discussion about restoring rail through the corridor, although the provincial government has suggested this would require private interests to step forward.

At the SLRD level, Crompton said he did not expect the project could go ahead without some type of funding from higher levels of government, though he reiterated the situation is not clear so far.

“The exact structure of the funding profile isn’t clear at this point,” he added.

As to when a feasibility study could take place, Matthews is not sure but hopes it could get underway by next spring.

“I don’t think there’s an official timeframe,” he said. “I would love to get this moving as soon as possible.”

SLRD chair Jack Crompton told The Squamish Chief via email, “At this point the proponent is pursuing funding for a feasibility study.”

The idea is still in the early stages, and he is hesitant to put a date on anything, especially since it is unclear whether the project will proceed beyond the study.

“We don’t like to hype-up projects that are really early on,” he added.
http://www.squamishchief.com/news/lo...ered-1.2580680
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Old Posted May 7, 2017, 6:23 AM
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??????????

How many people actually commute between Vancouver and Squamish on a regular basis? I don't get it.
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Old Posted May 7, 2017, 9:39 AM
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LOL you don't need a feasibility study to know that a sea-to-sky high speed rail is so far-fetched and nonsensical that it doesn't even belong in the transit fantasy thread.

LMAO
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Old Posted May 7, 2017, 10:11 AM
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I don't think its high speed rail they're talking about per se. More likely a DMU style commuter rail system.

Squamish has a fair number of commuters now. It's closer to downtown than Abbotsford is. Land out there is also readily available...
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Old Posted May 7, 2017, 3:03 PM
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I don't think its high speed rail they're talking about per se. More likely a DMU style commuter rail system.
Absolutely. They'd have to use the existing rail line - any attempt to straighten the tracks to provide actual high speed rail would require way more money than has been spent on the Sea to Sky highway - and that's just not going to happen.

"High Speed" in this context means "faster than cars", but that'll only be the case when there's a lot of congestion on the highway.
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