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Old Posted Mar 17, 2017, 6:18 PM
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The problem with "Downtown Laval" is that it never stood in the same place for more than 20 years. When they founded the city in 1965, it was planned that it would become a second metropolis in Greater Montreal, with around 1M inhabitants by 2000, based on the amazing growth the island was knowing back then. They planned to build a downtown area from scratch around A15 and St-Martin Boulevard. They had this great idea to start developing the land with huge malls, thinking office buildings and apartment towers would follow.
But yeah, it didn't. Carrefour Laval was built in the 70's (moving the downtown plans to the north) and it took 15 years for those towers on my latest picture to exist, even more for the few condominiums in the area (2010's, mostly). And then they imagined Centropolis, which is really just two retail streets with an awful lot of parking space (and a theater shaped like a UFO, because why not). When they built the metro extension to Montmorency, the new plan was to create a brand new downtown area (another one!) around 2-3 km south from what remains the "CBD". The result is a complete mess, with parking lots and undeveloped land surrounding ugly towers, because the former administration let the promoters build whatever they wanted. Everything was rushed like nowhere else. In terms of covered area, we may have a downtown as sprawled as Montreal's, but with less than 20 midrises. Our tallest has a clock on top of it and is around 80 m tall. Yup.
However, a new master plan is coming soon and the process is going well (http://www.repensonslaval.ca/schema), including talks with promoters, citizens and organisations. Big efforts are being put to turn downtown Laval into a decent neighborhood in the next 20 years, and it looks pretty good on paper. Now we have to hope they don't f*ck up like Vaillancourt did (although he had good ideas for the downtown's future, he is the one who ruined it in the first place, and the police had other plans for him too... )
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2017, 8:34 PM
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This is the plan for the downtown of our "Laval". The centre-ville of the former City of Gatineau.


http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/...-recours-ville

And of course we have the Hull sector of the new City of Gatineau, which is more of an extension of Downtown Ottawa.


http://www.portailconstructo.com/act...ville_gatineau

The other big three suburbs within the Ottawa city limits;

- Kanata: semi-independent, it is home to a large high-tech sector, mostly concentrated in car-centric suburban office parrks near the Corel Centre and around the north side.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanata,_Ontario

- Orleans: pure bedroom community with little employment beyond the retail sector. Some improvements have come over the years, such as a performance centre (Shenkman Arts Centre), two minor hotels, the trades campus of Ottawa French language college (La Cité) and a few condo buildings. It will also be served by the O-Train in 2022.

- Barrhaven: newer suburb with a higher density. Between Kanata and Orleans in jobs, mostly concentrated in suburban office parks.

Gatineau has a population of around 300,000 while the other 3 have roughly 100,000 each.
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2017, 3:55 AM
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There are plenty enough threads comparing city to city, suburb to suburb. This discussion is about city-suburb pairings: do they project a good fit in terms of urbanity, feel, aesthetics, built form. Obviously the suburbs are what they are (not full cities), so the fit is overtly about the pairing as entities within their respective urban wholes.

Does Laval suit Montreal?
Are there strong visual commonalities between Mississauga and Toronto?
Does a given suburb give you the urban feeling you expect for that metro, or do you think they are an odd couple?
etc?

(This is not meant to be a big deep analysis - just a casual talk.)
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2017, 4:44 AM
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Does Laval suit Montreal?
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It's suitable as a place to cross on the way to cottage country.
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This is the plan for the downtown of our "Laval". The centre-ville of the former City of Gatineau.


http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/...-recours-ville

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It's worth mentioning that over half of the stuff that is in that picture is already there. The rest is to be built.

One thing that is not shown is a planned pedestrian street with shops, restaurants and cafés which would be under the mustard-coloured circle. Not sure of when that will be happening though. Perhaps the construction of the arena will spur that portion of the development.
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Interesting angle. One of the few where I can see my place.
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North York.

[IMG]North York City Centre Skyline by steveve photostream #1, on Flickr[/IMG]
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About North Vancouver...... are there hiking trails in those hills?
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About North Vancouver...... are there hiking trails in those hills?

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About North Vancouver...... are there hiking trails in those hills?
Those are very large mountains my friend... and many people live in this area due to the proximity to the trails/outdoor activities. The supposed "Vancouver lifestyle" is really the North Vancouver lifestyle. Quarry Rock is my favourite:

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There are extensive trail networks for hiking and mountain biking in all the mountains that rise from the Fraser Valley and along Howe Sound to Pemberton and beyond. In some areas there are also winter networks for cross country skiing and snowshoeing.

The networks are quite dense on the faces facing the populated valleys. In metro, there are hundreds of trails up every mountain, but much fewer that penetrate deeper into the wilderness. North of the city are large areas containing the three potable watersheds in which no trails (or access) are allowed. Much of the rest of the land is designated parkland in which trails will take you north into and across Garibaldi Park.

Other dense networks exist around Pemberton, Whistler, Squamish and the eastern Fraser Valley.

Check out the Trailforks website and you can see them all mapped out.
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Looking back through this thread, I can honestly say that Calgary really does not have anything that should even be considered a suburban skyline - Calgary is a uni-city and until a cluster of high rises gets built in Airdrie, well we just won't be there. Yeah, Calgary has a few areas where there might be a cluster of 3 or 4 high rises but these clusters are certainly not attractive enough to create an environment that I would call vibrant. Calgary's Beltline - hell, many people already call that downtown and often you'll get called out if you say it isn't. The Brentwood TOD with it's current 4 buildings is a good start but it's too little and it's very sterile. Others like London Square on Macleod - there's nothing there that currently makes it an area I would call a destination. If I've got a Saturday afternoon that I might spend wandering around an area to see what it's shops and restaurants/pubs might offer, it certainly isn't going to be London Square or Brentwood TOD - the small Westbrook cluster, nothing there at all to attract someone to browse or stop by.

Yupp, I'll probably get chastised by some for having such a viewpoint but I've lived in Calgary since 1979 and have visited almost all of Canada's major cities save for the east coast and I'd say only the Vancouver and Toronto metros truly have suburban skylines. Calgary, probably won't ever happen or at least in my lifetime.
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Yupp, I'll probably get chastised by some for having such a viewpoint but I've lived in Calgary since 1979 and have visited almost all of Canada's major cities save for the east coast and I'd say only the Vancouver and Toronto metros truly have suburban skylines. Calgary, probably won't ever happen or at least in my lifetime.
I don't know if Ottawa has a suburban skyline, but Ottawa has many clusters of highrise apartment blocks dotted around the suburbs. When you come in to the city from the west along the 417, which is situated on a bit of a ridge, you get a good view of it all.

Toronto and Ottawa are the commie block kings, but most of Ontario's midsized cities have clusters of apartment towers from the 60s and 70s in their inner suburban areas. Even my small hometown of Peterborough has at least two (1,2), even though the buildings there are 8-10 storeys, rather than 20-30.
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Even my small hometown of Peterborough has at least two (1,2), even though the buildings there are 8-10 storeys, rather than 20-30.
What's amusing about those two links is that as much as Canadians get lumped into "America" and that we always say that no non-North American visitors should be expected to discern any real differences between the two countries (well, outside of California and Florida, of course), in actual fact you'd be hard-pressed to find two vistas like that anywhere in the U.S.

Without the giveaways of the Google Street View labels, and keeping the North American cars far enough out of view, anyone could be forgiven for guessing that you were linking to scenes in Scandinavia.
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I don't know if Ottawa has a suburban skyline, but Ottawa has many clusters of highrise apartment blocks dotted around the suburbs. When you come in to the city from the west along the 417, which is situated on a bit of a ridge, you get a good view of it all.
I feel like Lincoln Fields and Tunney's Pasture should count, Carleton is a maybe, and the Montreal Rd + Vanier Parkway area is definitely an option.
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Looking back through this thread, I can honestly say that Calgary really does not have anything that should even be considered a suburban skyline - Calgary is a uni-city and until a cluster of high rises gets built in Airdrie, well we just won't be there. Yeah, Calgary has a few areas where there might be a cluster of 3 or 4 high rises but these clusters are certainly not attractive enough to create an environment that I would call vibrant. Calgary's Beltline - hell, many people already call that downtown and often you'll get called out if you say it isn't. The Brentwood TOD with it's current 4 buildings is a good start but it's too little and it's very sterile. Others like London Square on Macleod - there's nothing there that currently makes it an area I would call a destination. If I've got a Saturday afternoon that I might spend wandering around an area to see what it's shops and restaurants/pubs might offer, it certainly isn't going to be London Square or Brentwood TOD - the small Westbrook cluster, nothing there at all to attract someone to browse or stop by.

Yupp, I'll probably get chastised by some for having such a viewpoint but I've lived in Calgary since 1979 and have visited almost all of Canada's major cities save for the east coast and I'd say only the Vancouver and Toronto metros truly have suburban skylines. Calgary, probably won't ever happen or at least in my lifetime.
You are bang on. Would be nice to see in our lifetimes but like a new arena/stadium don't hold your breath.
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Looking back through this thread, I can honestly say that Calgary really does not have anything that should even be considered a suburban skyline - Calgary is a uni-city and until a cluster of high rises gets built in Airdrie, well we just won't be there. Yeah, Calgary has a few areas where there might be a cluster of 3 or 4 high rises but these clusters are certainly not attractive enough to create an environment that I would call vibrant. Calgary's Beltline - hell, many people already call that downtown and often you'll get called out if you say it isn't. The Brentwood TOD with it's current 4 buildings is a good start but it's too little and it's very sterile. Others like London Square on Macleod - there's nothing there that currently makes it an area I would call a destination. If I've got a Saturday afternoon that I might spend wandering around an area to see what it's shops and restaurants/pubs might offer, it certainly isn't going to be London Square or Brentwood TOD - the small Westbrook cluster, nothing there at all to attract someone to browse or stop by.

Yupp, I'll probably get chastised by some for having such a viewpoint but I've lived in Calgary since 1979 and have visited almost all of Canada's major cities save for the east coast and I'd say only the Vancouver and Toronto metros truly have suburban skylines. Calgary, probably won't ever happen or at least in my lifetime.
I don't see why you'd get chastised for that - it's completely accurate. It's not surprising either considering the way the city has grown and given the deliberate focus on downtown. I think it will change over time though - the Currie Barracks development could give a genuine additional skyline, as could maybe Seton - the hospital there is already pretty dominant in itself, so a bunch of midrises next door could give a pretty prominent feature.
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I feel like Lincoln Fields and Tunney's Pasture should count, Carleton is a maybe, and the Montreal Rd + Vanier Parkway area is definitely an option.
Personally, I wouldn't count anything in old Ottawa or Vanier. Might even exclude anything within he greenbelt.
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Personally, I wouldn't count anything in old Ottawa or Vanier. Might even exclude anything within he greenbelt.
If Yonge and Eglinton or the Etobicoke waterfront can count then surely much of old Ottawa counts?
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