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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 8:27 PM
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Would be nice to see articulated trolleys on the 5/6.
I don't think those will work on downtown streets. Regular trolley buses have difficulty already around some corners, etc.

As for "well served", if speed is the issue I think an average of 20 km/h in the downtown core is pretty good. Slower in the west end is typical... the only things that would improve that is no street parking and/or less cars on the road.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 8:43 PM
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I don't think those will work on downtown streets. Regular trolley buses have difficulty already around some corners, etc.

As for "well served", if speed is the issue I think an average of 20 km/h in the downtown core is pretty good. Slower in the west end is typical... the only things that would improve that is no street parking and/or less cars on the road.
The West End is brutally slow. <10km/hr is approaching walking speed. Consolidating bus stops would also help a bit. But I only see it really getting better once we get dedicated bus lanes (perhaps by removing all the street parking on Robson/Denman/Davie).
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 9:04 PM
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The West End is brutally slow. <10km/hr is approaching walking speed. Consolidating bus stops would also help a bit. But I only see it really getting better once we get dedicated bus lanes (perhaps by removing all the street parking on Robson/Denman/Davie).
And replace it with what? That can't be too popular...
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 9:26 PM
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I don't think those will work on downtown streets. Regular trolley buses have difficulty already around some corners, etc.

As for "well served", if speed is the issue I think an average of 20 km/h in the downtown core is pretty good. Slower in the west end is typical... the only things that would improve that is no street parking and/or less cars on the road.
Perhaps some roadwork or introducing hook turns would be in order.

But definitely nix the street parking along bus routes.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2017, 9:28 PM
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The West End is brutally slow. <10km/hr is approaching walking speed. Consolidating bus stops would also help a bit. But I only see it really getting better once we get dedicated bus lanes (perhaps by removing all the street parking on Robson/Denman/Davie).
Robson should become a pedestrian mall.
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WRT the downtown streetcar - it may be revived:

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New planning dir. Gil Kelley drops several references to a future streetcar in South False Creek. That's an issue that seemed dead now alive
https://twitter.com/fabulavancouver/...33390392332288
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WRT the downtown streetcar - it may be revived:


https://twitter.com/fabulavancouver/...33390392332288
One of the City planners I talked to at the False Creek Flats open house yesterday mentioned that there would be provisions in the Flats to allow for a future streetcar.
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The information boards posted from the False Creek Flats Info Session indicate plans to extend the streetcar line to the future Millennium extension station at Thornton/Great Northern Way and the new Emily Carr campus. See page 10 of the part 1 PDF of the info boards: http://vancouver.ca/home-property-de...eek-flats.aspx
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Robson should become a pedestrian mall.
Sure, as soon as we get rapid transit under it. Both would be good to have in the distant future.
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That said. I'm not 100% against Streetcars or LRT if the business case makes sense. My argument is mostly against running these at grade without closing the grade crossings, thus putting riders and pedestrians unnecessarily at risk. On longer stretches of land that parallel a highway (eg say Richmond-Delta-Cloverdale-Langley-Abbotsford) where you can grade separate the crossings, it might make more sense than trying to build the Skytrain. But this doesn't change the nature of the problem, that running a lightrail/streetcar system in mixed traffic is incredibly dangerous, and doesn't have to be.
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If Surrey goes ahead with their LRT plans it will be very interesting to see how it's accepted there. People in the lower mainland have been spoiled by the very high frequencies that the Skytrain can achieve at low cost because of it's automation. You can't automate grade-level LRT, so it's going to be a substantially longer wait between trains than people are used to. I have a feeling that might not go over that well with the ridership.
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