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[QUOTE=Swede;2845288]Tho isn't WTC2 under-represented in that render? the top will be really close the WTC1's roof...
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Absolutely.

Supposedly, the smaller size of 2 WTC in that rendering represents the fact its further back than the FT, but in reality the upper part of the "diamond" will be just 12 feet shy of the FT's roof height. I think that rendering exagerates how far back 2 WTC is. And 3 is shown just ridiculously small.
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[QUOTE=CoolCzech;2845437][QUOTE=Swede;2845288]Tho isn't WTC2 under-represented in that render? the top will be really close the WTC1's roof...
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Absolutely.

Supposedly, the smaller size of 2 WTC in that rendering represents the fact its further back than the FT, but in reality the upper part of the "diamond" will be just 12 feet shy of the FT's roof height. I think that rendering exagerates how far back 2 WTC is. And 3 is shown just ridiculously small.

I mentioned this earlier and NYguy shot me down. I too think the height of 2 WTC is wrong in these renderings. Out of the 4 tall buildings of the new WTC, the one that impresses me the most is 2 WTC - it's like Chicago's Smurfit-Stone building on steroids, only much more refined and elegant. Can't wait to see it built.
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Supposedly, the smaller size of 2 WTC in that rendering represents the fact its further back than the FT, but in reality the upper part of the "diamond" will be just 12 feet shy of the FT's roof height. I think that rendering exagerates how far back 2 WTC is. And 3 is shown just ridiculously small.
As I've said before, its the angle. The closer to the shoreline you get, the bigger the gap is between the towers closest to it, and those further back. Just look at tower 4, which is a couple of hunderd feet taller than the WFC. If the rendering had been done from the air, you'd get a more accurate depiction of the height.
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Look at these photos. 1 and 2 WTC weren't as far apart, yet clearly there is a height difference...


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^^^Actually the tower behind is 6 feet taller than the one ahead, but it seems the other way.
Also at long distances its hard to tell the difference because the difference isn't much...
It also depends on the line of sight with which we are looking at.
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Looking at that picture I can't help but think the "new" Trade Center is going to be much more beautiful than the old. I feel the loss of all those killed on 911, but the replacement will be a much better urban neighborhood than before.
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The picture shows how the twin 110 storey giant monsters made the lower Manhattan look incredibly massive.
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Posted on curbed.com....

these images give an idea of the construction craziness Downtown...










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Four months left for the PA to finish its work, and turn over the site to Silverstein...


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Those are some crazy charts, NYguy. Thanks to curbed for digging those up.
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It's so nice... and not realistic. Like in a cheap sci-fi movie.
Looks better than that sixties movie about the moon landing.
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Tho isn't WTC2 under-represented in that render? the top will be really close the WTC1's roof...
Absolutely.

Supposedly, the smaller size of 2 WTC in that rendering represents the fact its further back than the FT, but in reality the upper part of the "diamond" will be just 12 feet shy of the FT's roof height. I think that rendering exagerates how far back 2 WTC is. And 3 is shown just ridiculously small.
I was skeptical of the insignificant appearence of 2WTC as well, so I did an analysis. I made two boxes equal in height to 1 WTC and placed them around 1 and 2 WTC and did some perspectives investiagtion.



And while 3 and 4 WTC make look small compared to 1, compare them to 40 Wall Street or Chase and you'll see that they are actually quite large.
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^ I like the blue highlight. I remember Silverstein saying that all of the towers would have that blue illumination. I hope he was right.

BTW, that perspective drawing pretty much shows the difference in height that angle would make.
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/09052007...zero_to_60.htm

GROUND 'ZERO TO 60'
WTC TOWER WORK SURGES AHEAD AT LAST


By TOM TOPOUSIS
September 5, 2007

What a difference a year makes, even at Ground Zero.

Once dogged by bitter fights over how to rebuild the World Trade Center,
construction there is finally booming, with more than 600 hardhats pouring
concrete, blasting rock and raising steel in a bid to fully rebuild the site by 2012.

The Freedom Tower - the first skyscraper to rise at Ground
Zero - has reached street level with the setting of jumbo steel beams that
will form the below-grade base. Next year, the tower's frame will begin to rise
above street level.

Alongside the Freedom Tower, hardhats have built 121 out of 150 concrete
footings for the World Trade Center Memorial and Museum, with steel
expected to be shipped in later this year to begin raising the memorial to
street level.


The $2 billion transit hub designed by Santiago Calatrava is also under way.

Perhaps the least heralded project at the site is the massive, 80-foot-deep
excavation of the eastern half of the trade center to create a
watertight "bathtub" for three Church Street office towers.

Most of the work began after last year's agreement between Ground Zero
developer Larry Silverstein and the Port Authority, which owns the site. The
bistate agency is in charge of the bulk of the project, with Silverstein
concentrating on three towers.

"We've restored a level of confidence to the rebuilding process and that's
translated to the marketplace," said PA Chairman Anthony Coscia.

He said that the reconstruction project has helped fuel renewed interest in
the downtown office market, where demand for space is booming.

"These buildings will be built and the site will be restored," Coscia told The
Post during a recent interview.

Added together, $16 billion worth of construction will take place on the 16-
acre site, making the World Trade Center the most expensive and most
complicated construction project in a city brimming with tower cranes.

Because so many projects are being squeezed into the site, each one is
linked to the other through shared subterranean structures - from piping to
concourses to underground railroad and subway lines - further complicating
the work.

"It's not an easy project to build," said Coscia, who likened the engineering
effort to building a "subgrade Rubik's Cube."

Construction so far is mostly limited to the western half of the site, inside the
70-foot-deep bathtub that was built to contain the foundations of the Twin
Towers. A second bathtub is being excavated on the eastern half of the site
for Silverstein's towers 2, 3 and 4.

Silverstein, who last year completed World Trade Center 7 just across Vesey
Street from the WTC's main campus, expects to begin construction of his
three towers in 2008.

"You ain't seen nothing yet," Silverstein said.

His design team of 120 architects and engineers has been working at a studio
on the 11th floor of 7 World Trade Center.

"We will hit the ground running when the sites are handed over to us in
January," he said.


One setback for the reconstruction is the fiasco at the Deutsche Bank
Building, which is being taken down by the Lower Manhattan Development
Corp. a block south of the WTC. Two firefighters died battling a blaze inside
the toxic tower last month.

The Port Authority, which will take over the Deutsche Bank site once the
tower is removed, has an agreement to sell it to JPMorgan Chase as a fifth
WTC tower beside a park and new home for St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church.


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Great news. But who would have guessed a few years ago that the new World Trade Center would be but one of several developments planned for the city, and not even the greatest? The real action will be in mid-town over the next ten years.
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While we were away, new renderings came out...the tower is now 1,147/1,240 ft

















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Very upseting about the decrease in height.
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^^ With 8 feet height reduction in WTC3 but 16 and 28 feet feet height increase in WTC2 and 4, it ain't that bad....
But not very good either, they're basically the same height, just a few feet/inches up or down.
(I'm talking about roof heights) And they made this one officially shorter than ESB.........

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