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Old Posted Mar 9, 2017, 3:04 AM
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I'm all for privatisation where it makes sense, though there are some problems. Tokyo Osaka and HK are always brought up but, they are all incredibly dense across quite large areas compared to Vancouver making transit a more profitianle endeavour.

Interesting to bring up TOD, iirc MTR is as much a dev company as it is a transit company.
Another historic example in Vancouver is the Lions Gate Bridge. It was built by a property developer trying to sell land on the north shore.

I would love to see the water taxi integrated into the compass card system. Single card, you put some fare-gates at each of piers. The operator can toss on an extra surcharge (similar to the one at the airport).
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2017, 8:29 PM
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Didn't NDP ex-premier Michael Harcourt recommend Arbutus Light Rail to be built? Lots of speculators aka Fresh off the boat immigrants are pro-development, these are not the NIMBY camp that is showing up at the consultations. Many of the old folks NIMBY are selling off their lots around Arbutus corridor area because they are Babyboomers as well, and these babyboomers need to unlock house value to fund their vacations in Latin America.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2017, 1:34 AM
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I'd love to see Compass become as proliferated as something like Pasmo in Jqpan. It only helps to better integrate people's lives with transit.

Light rail might be a good idea, but considering that it seems like nothing will happen on this corridor for quite some time I'm left wondering if we would be in need of Canasa Line relief by then and what role this line plays in that
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Remember, our rail system (BC Electric) used to be Private as well.
If we ended subsidies for driving I could see private rail operators being viable again. Sadly that won't happen any time soon.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2017, 5:13 PM
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If we ended subsidies for driving I could see private rail operators being viable again. Sadly that won't happen any time soon.
You mean for roads? Japan has a WAY more extensive expressway than BC has... even per capita. They do have toll roads, mind you.

Pay parking is everywhere. Tolls are a visible reminder of the costs of driving. Building it into the price of gas is something, but direct tolling is usually pretty effective. Also, it's typical for a Japanese employer to pay for transit to get to work. If that became standard here, you'd find people weighing the cost of effectively "FREE" transit vs. paying their own way more carefully.

Some employers partially subsidize transit here, but in Japan... it's pretty much the norm.
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You mean for roads? Japan has a WAY more extensive expressway than BC has... even per capita. They do have toll roads, mind you.

Pay parking is everywhere. Tolls are a visible reminder of the costs of driving. Building it into the price of gas is something, but direct tolling is usually pretty effective. Also, it's typical for a Japanese employer to pay for transit to get to work. If that became standard here, you'd find people weighing the cost of effectively "FREE" transit vs. paying their own way more carefully.

Some employers partially subsidize transit here, but in Japan... it's pretty much the norm.
Japan's gas tax is over twice that of Canada's, for example. Japan also has waaaay more tolled roads than BC.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2017, 8:43 PM
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I'm cautiously optimistic, every year we move closer and closer to the above.
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Kinda hard for the Japanese to cross the border and fill up with cheaper gas. We need to keep things in context, gas tax is the easiest to raise and collect and it penalizes that that drive larger vehicles and those that drive during rush hour, all the things we want to control. Problem is if we raise them too much people do and will cross the border into the states to fill up, or drive east to avoid the translink tax.
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You mean for roads? Japan has a WAY more extensive expressway than BC has... even per capita. They do have toll roads, mind you.

Pay parking is everywhere. Tolls are a visible reminder of the costs of driving. Building it into the price of gas is something, but direct tolling is usually pretty effective. Also, it's typical for a Japanese employer to pay for transit to get to work. If that became standard here, you'd find people weighing the cost of effectively "FREE" transit vs. paying their own way more carefully.

Some employers partially subsidize transit here, but in Japan... it's pretty much the norm.
Japan has a fantastic freeway network, it can take you to any corner of the country, but yes, nearly all free-flow roads are tolled. On average it costs between 1 to 2 dollars per 10 KM (depending on the day and whether or not you have a transponder).

The funny thing is, the cost of using the freeway can actually be cheaper than going to the same detonation by train, especially if you are going with multiple people (example, I often go to my wife's parent's house about 120 km south from where I live. Driving on the freeway is about 12 dollars each way while the train is a much higher 28 dollars. Since I have a free place to park at their house, driving makes way more sense in this situation.)

Japanese companies do indeed pay for your transit, something that should be introduced into BC. But, many also pay for you to drive. For example, my car is a company car, and they give me a monthly gas allowance. Also, if i have a special assignment, they will also cover my toll road expenses.

Essentially getting around by train or car in Japan is pretty easy. The only challenging part for using a car is parking in the big cities.

Also it should be noted that the base of the Japanese railway system has been built with government money. A lot of privatization has happened here (including the post office about 10 years ago) which I don't think is the best idea. Rail projects while now technically are "private" they are still massively subsidized.
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I think the situation in Japan still speaks volumes, really what we should aim for is for all modes to be fantastic. It's just that our transit needs to catch up alot, (maybe even our roads too).
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I think the situation in Japan still speaks volumes, really what we should aim for is for all modes to be fantastic. It's just that our transit needs to catch up alot, (maybe even our roads too).
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I think the spur is dead meat due to the Squamish Towers proposed next to the Burrard Bridge, sadly. It's far more likely, and in my opinion preferable, for the Arbutus line to find a way to go directly to the Granville Island station and then on to Olympic Village.

Also, you need a stop at Marine and Hudson, for the bus depot operators, and for the neighbourhood that's growing on Hudson (one of the designated areas in the Marpole Community Plan). Other than that, I love your map!

Another challenge is figuring out how to make the line towards River District a through-service at Marine Station, while also giving passengers a connection a reasonable walking distance from the Skytrain. I imagine they'll have to make a single track run up to the bus loop, or a double track that runs up along Marine to the station and down along Yukon towards the rail ROW again. The Docksteader Subaru redevelopment would have to help with this, so hopefully they can get a plan in place before that redevelopment happens. In any case, it's really convenient to have the ROW running all the way to River District. The 100 has a ton of ridership going to and from Marine Station. I guess the other challenge, though, would be figuring out how to connect the N-S arterial buses to the rail ROW in order to facilitate transfers. I'm thinking the 3, the 8, the 22, and the 20, all of which would be very difficult. On top of that, the buses servicing the River District need a complete reworking as well. But there are great opportunities.
Nice. It pisses me off to no end that the current Mayor & Council poo-pooed the Downtown-OV streetcar in favour of blowing money taking down the viaducts. That would have been an essential first step in your plan. Once it reached Granville Island, extending to Arbutus would have been an easy sell to meet an extended Skytrain.

Not sure about the SW Marine portion, not much residential there or likely to be.
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Nice. It pisses me off to no end that the current Mayor & Council poo-pooed the Downtown-OV streetcar in favour of blowing money taking down the viaducts. That would have been an essential first step in your plan. Once it reached Granville Island, extending to Arbutus would have been an easy sell to meet an extended Skytrain.
It's probably better to demolish the viaducts before installing overhead wires, lest they get in each other's way later on. Developing NEFC first also gives the streetcar more ridership.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2017, 9:17 PM
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Japan's gas tax is over twice that of Canada's, for example. Japan also has waaaay more tolled roads than BC.
Japan sets taxes differently. It's more regulated as I understand it... so prices don't fluctuate as much. That being said... price at the pump is comparable to BC when I've gone. It's a bit more expensive than BC, like $1.50/L or so with the current exchange.
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