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Old Posted Apr 8, 2015, 12:52 AM
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Well Highway 1 through Langley was a disaster today, several accidents and lane closures. Wonder how reliable service was today.

One other thing to note, noted there was a McElhanney (traffic and design consultant) vehicle parked on the closed 202 Street eastbound HOV ramps this morning. Wonder if the Ministry is now going to get this open for the FVX, and is doing some design work to get started. Only makes sense since they could save some significant time rather than going around to 200 Street and queuing with everyone else.
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Well Highway 1 through Langley was a disaster today, several accidents and lane closures. Wonder how reliable service was today.

One other thing to note, noted there was a McElhanney (traffic and design consultant) vehicle parked on the closed 202 Street eastbound HOV ramps this morning. Wonder if the Ministry is now going to get this open for the FVX, and is doing some design work to get started. Only makes sense since they could save some significant time rather than going around to 200 Street and queuing with everyone else.
In the big PDF I posted above introducing the FVX there was something said about reconfiguring that intersection to make it easier for buses to get to the exchange. Pretty stupidly designed in the first place if we're trying to change it so soon already.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2015, 1:12 AM
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In the big PDF I posted above introducing the FVX there was something said about reconfiguring that intersection to make it easier for buses to get to the exchange. Pretty stupidly designed in the first place if we're trying to change it so soon already.
It's all roughed in, just need to add some more fill, pave it, and then sign it. Actually not a huge job overall. Just surprised it wasn't done before the route launched, although from what I am aware, it was the Ministry who didn't want to commit yet.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2015, 2:17 AM
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Long overdue, no?
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wonder why this route wouldn't have double decked buses.

could potentially be a very useful route for lots of people from the FV into the city.
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wonder why this route wouldn't have double decked buses.

could potentially be a very useful route for lots of people from the FV into the city.

Don't make me drool would be sweat to have double decker buses on this side of the river.ocean (aka Vancouver Island).
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Don't make me drool would be sweat to have double decker buses on this side of the river.ocean (aka Vancouver Island).
I'm generally opposed to double-deckers, but on a long distance route like this I think it would work. I think it will happen in time, but they need to see what the ridership is like for the time being.
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Don't make me drool would be sweat to have double decker buses on this side of the river.ocean (aka Vancouver Island).
If I recall correctly, they do have double deckers out in Kelowna.
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If I recall correctly, they do have double deckers out in Kelowna.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelowna...Transit_System

yes - they have doubles now.
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Is there a benefit of double decker over articulated?
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Would the double deckers fit underneath the Glover Road overpass and the CP Rail overpass found west of 232 Street? Believe they only have a clearance of 3.3m
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Has the West Coast Express considered expansion out to Chilliwack recently? Seems like a no brainer, with their population nearing 100 000.
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Would the double deckers fit underneath the Glover Road overpass and the CP Rail overpass found west of 232 Street? Believe they only have a clearance of 3.3m
Ouch!

Wasn't this one reason Translink never got Double deckers?

a nice "highway coach" aka Orion V would be best for this long haul route.
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Has the West Coast Express considered expansion out to Chilliwack recently? Seems like a no brainer, with their population nearing 100 000.
I think extending it south from Mission to Abbotsford would be a better choice. There's a rail-line that runs immediately west of Highway 11 that is owned by CP. You would need to relocate the Mission station a km or two further west to make it work, but I think there would be a lot of value in doing that.

Don't think going to Chilliwack and bypassing Abbotsford would make too much sense at this point.
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I think extending it south from Mission to Abbotsford would be a better choice. There's a rail-line that runs immediately west of Highway 11 that is owned by CP. You would need to relocate the Mission station a km or two further west to make it work, but I think there would be a lot of value in doing that.

Don't think going to Chilliwack and bypassing Abbotsford would make too much sense at this point.
Definitely. I personally think we need commuter rail paralleling the Expo Line going into the Valley, but this bus is a good first step. I'd much rather see a separate line than an extension of the West Coast Express, as much of the Fraser Valley's workforce commutes to Surrey and Langley for work. It would also help relieve the Expo Line.
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GO transit in Greater Toronto has a huge fleet of double decker buses.

On longer haul routes they are far more pleasant and easier to drive down freeways/ highways as at high speed the articulates can begin to sway.
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Is there a benefit of double decker over articulated?
In Victoria, at least, the blocks are too short to handle articulated buses, especially downtown. I believe BC Transit was partially responsible for this model being designed/brought to North America
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In Victoria, at least, the blocks are too short to handle articulated buses, especially downtown. I believe BC Transit was partially responsible for this model being designed/brought to North America
Victoria and Kelowna were the first operators of the Double-deck buses, but you have to get some context as for why and where they are used.

The routes in Victoria at least, are only used on the longhaul (eg Sooke to Downtown, Downtown to the Ferry Terminal through Saanich) they have high wind resistance, but are operated on the highways. Though I generally find that the upper deck "wobbles" too much to be comfortable for people with motion sickness.

The Articulated bus on the other hand has the rear portion sway and requires a higher turning radius. Despite that they work better at highway speeds than the Doubledecker buses since they have lower wind resistance.

That said, the double-decker buses are better tourism buses since they can fit more people in to be able to look outside and over fences, where as conventional bus seating is designed to maximize the number of people, not sight-seeing.

Both can be combined into an articulated doubledecker bus, and that would likely beat the capacity of any proposed at-grade Light Rail, but I suspect that they would be much more dangerous to operate without their own BRT ROW since any t-boning of the bus would likely push over it's center of gravity.
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Both can be combined into an articulated doubledecker bus, and that would likely beat the capacity of any proposed at-grade Light Rail, but I suspect that they would be much more dangerous to operate without their own BRT ROW since any t-boning of the bus would likely push over it's center of gravity.
Are there any examples of such a vehicle? I'm a bit skeptical of whether that's doable while still allowing the bus to use ramps or go over bumps that would cause the upper decks to "crunch" together.

And it's not obvious to me how the centre of gravity issue would be any worse for an articulated double decker than it would be for a conventional one.
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