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Old Posted Feb 25, 2017, 1:16 AM
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Chevy dealers are also required to install DC fast chargers that use the CCS Combo plug as part of selling their new Bolt.

I know Dueck's Downtown will be installing 3 CCS Combo plugs.

They'll get to be more common pretty soon. Also, CCS Combo is turning into the defacto standard. Chademo doesn't have enough maximum throughput. Theoretically CCS could convey several hundred kW, but the standard currently does 80kW, or so.
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Is is an actual network though? Who is running these chargers? Are they located at some type of station? Like Tesla Superchargers are pretty easily identifiable etc.
In the EV charging infrastructure parlance, "network" means "company which runs the chargers". By that terminology, there are several different "networks", including Sun Country and Greenlots - the latter of which seems to run most of the DC fast chargers that I've seen. I believe that BC Hydro has actually installed most of the fast chargers, and that Greenlots is contracted to manage them.

There's a smart phone app called "Plugshare" which makes it easy to find chargers based on the kind of connector that your EV uses.
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Chevy dealers are also required to install DC fast chargers that use the CCS Combo plug as part of selling their new Bolt.

I know Dueck's Downtown will be installing 3 CCS Combo plugs.

They'll get to be more common pretty soon. Also, CCS Combo is turning into the defacto standard. Chademo doesn't have enough maximum throughput. Theoretically CCS could convey several hundred kW, but the standard currently does 80kW, or so.
That's surprising I thought I had heard Bolt didn't support DC fast charge, if that's the case then the Bolt just became even better in my mind (already excellent Imo)
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That's surprising I thought I had heard Bolt didn't support DC fast charge, if that's the case then the Bolt just became even better in my mind (already excellent Imo)
It's CCS Combo. In the US I think they made it an option though
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Chevy dealers are also required to install DC fast chargers that use the CCS Combo plug as part of selling their new Bolt.

I know Dueck's Downtown will be installing 3 CCS Combo plugs.

They'll get to be more common pretty soon. Also, CCS Combo is turning into the defacto standard. Chademo doesn't have enough maximum throughput. Theoretically CCS could convey several hundred kW, but the standard currently does 80kW, or so.
What is the deal with charging your car at a dealer L3 charger? Does it cost? Do you have to have the same branded car, or buy specifically from that dealer?
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What is the deal with charging your car at a dealer L3 charger? Does it cost? Do you have to have the same branded car, or buy specifically from that dealer?

Who knows yet? Its all speculation at this point. Probably some free if your car is bought there, but I'd imagine they would charge after a while.

My Volt only does up to L2 anyways.
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What is the deal with charging your car at a dealer L3 charger? Does it cost? Do you have to have the same branded car, or buy specifically from that dealer?
That's all up to the dealer. But it's mostly a moot point because it's far less convenient to charge at a dealer or anywhere else for that matter than it is for you to just plug the car in when you get home. Let it charge overnight, unplug it in the morning and you're good to go. No different than how you use your smart phone. The only time most people would need to use a public charging station is when they're on road trips away from their home.
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I believe I read that Quebec was building a network of fast chargers on their highways, is a similar programming planned for BC? Im as big of a Tesla fan as anyone, but it would certainly be great if they'd work with other automakers to create a standard for fast charge. Their current network is actually unbelievable, but if you created a good pricing scheme and brought in other automakers it would be better especially for advancing adoption.
Here is the website. It also shows charging stations outside Quebec:

https://lecircuitelectrique.com/find-a-station

The closest one to me is about 800 m from my house.
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That's all up to the dealer. But it's mostly a moot point because it's far less convenient to charge at a dealer or anywhere else for that matter than it is for you to just plug the car in when you get home. Let it charge overnight, unplug it in the morning and you're good to go. No different than how you use your smart phone. The only time most people would need to use a public charging station is when they're on road trips away from their home.
L3 charging is pretty quick though. I can see it being used by locals if made available, especially if your option at home is L1 (like in a condo).
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L3 charging is pretty quick though. I can see it being used by locals if made available, especially if your option at home is L1 (like in a condo).
But the huge, huge advantage of L1 charging at your condo is that it happens overnight while you sleep. Much better than sitting around waiting for half an hour or more at an L3 charger.

It's not about the charging speed, it's about how much of your useful time it consumes.
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But the huge, huge advantage of L1 charging at your condo is that it happens overnight while you sleep. Much better than sitting around waiting for half an hour or more at an L3 charger.

It's not about the charging speed, it's about how much of your useful time it consumes.
L1 charging can sometimes take more time than you have available. L3 at a place where you can run errands is very helpful. L3 charge for 30 mins while you get groceries, have lunch, etc. Right now most malls have L2 charging, which doesn't do very much in the 30-60 mins you might be there.

Obviously L3 charging is a lot more expensive, but there's a willingness to pay there as well.

I noticed Oakridge is expanding their EV charging with more L2. It's nice to have a free charge while you shop, but the overall impact isn't great.
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Condo towers aren't equipped to supply power to feed charging stations. Even the newest ones that have power run to 15% of the stalls can not handle the load if the other stalls were to get install chargers. We are in the process of having to upgrade our transformers now to supply the future load envisioned. This is a major expense and one most stratas will balk at as long as possible.
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Condo towers aren't equipped to supply power to feed charging stations. Even the newest ones that have power run to 15% of the stalls can not handle the load if the other stalls were to get install chargers. We are in the process of having to upgrade our transformers now to supply the future load envisioned. This is a major expense and one most stratas will balk at as long as possible.
It's going to get more important as EV usage expands and buyers expect to have a charging facility. We're obviously not there yet, but the time will come where condo owners will take a hit on the selling price if the unit doesn't include a parking stall with an EV charger.
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Turn the chargers on between 10 PM and 6 AM.
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I noticed Oakridge is expanding their EV charging with more L2. It's nice to have a free charge while you shop, but the overall impact isn't great.
L2 isn't so bad, especially if you can use it while you're otherwise doing errands during the day. Even if you're stuck at a max charge rate of 3.3 kW (which most hybrids have), you're still adding 15km of range per hour.


If your car can accept 6.6 kW then you're adding about 30km of range per hour which is probably more than a half day's driving for most people who commute into Vancouver from outside the CoV. For those that live and work within Vancouver, it's probably an entire day's range.
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Condo towers aren't equipped to supply power to feed charging stations. Even the newest ones that have power run to 15% of the stalls can not handle the load if the other stalls were to get install chargers. We are in the process of having to upgrade our transformers now to supply the future load envisioned. This is a major expense and one most stratas will balk at as long as possible.
How does this work then? Do they turn off stalls or do they simply lower the load per stall and therefore increase charging times?
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Condo towers aren't equipped to supply power to feed charging stations. Even the newest ones that have power run to 15% of the stalls can not handle the load if the other stalls were to get install chargers. We are in the process of having to upgrade our transformers now to supply the future load envisioned. This is a major expense and one most stratas will balk at as long as possible.
New Vancouver building code (2012?) stipulate that the electrical room must be sized to be upgradeable to supply power to all stalls.

I believe The Arc is supplying power to 100% of the stalls.
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New Vancouver building code (2012?) stipulate that the electrical room must be sized to be upgradeable to supply power to all stalls.

I believe The Arc is supplying power to 100% of the stalls.
240V at each stall? Or just a standard outlet?
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"The EV plugs in Concord Pacific’s ARC building will all have a 210 volt capacity, allowing for quicker charging capabilities – up to 50 kilometres worth of charge in an hour, according to Murray."
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Electric carts are perfect for Vancouver, but I think the lack of charging stations is what's holding them back, not the cars themselves. People living in the most urbanized areas of the city do not have a garage, so they have no where to charge their vehicle.

THe price of batteries are dropping fast and it won't be long til an E car is priced comparably to an ICE car. The change over is going to happen faster than people realize. Most likely my next car will be electric.
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