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Old Posted Feb 28, 2017, 9:57 PM
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Update from Philadelphia Business Journal

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The first phase of Liberty on the River, a vast master planned community of 10 highrise towers fronting the Delaware River, was expected to move forward this spring but has now been pushed to a fall ground breaking.

“I was a little overly optimistic,” said Jeffrey Kozero of K4 Associates, a real estate firm based in Rockville, Md., that owns the 18-acre property.

That hasn’t lessened Kozero’s optimism about building a $1.2 billion community consisting of 10 buildings on the river between Washington Avenue and Reed Street. The initial phase would involve constructing a 280-unit apartment building with 15,000 square feet of retail and Kozero is bullish not only on the Delaware River waterfront but a multifamily market that some have worried is getting over built.

“All indications and research show we should be successful,” Kozero said. “The millennials need a place to live and we’re right between two bridges with direct access. Our site has a lot going for it and I feel we can really make a market. It’s the right place at the right time.”

Kozero has company in that regard. Liberty on the River joins a growing list of mixed-use projects along the Delaware that are in the works in what could potentially be the next frontier of development activity in Philadelphia and have the Delaware waterfront finally come into its own.

A parcel at Liberty on the River that has been set aside for senior housing is also on the market since that’s not K4’s speciality, Kozero said. CBRE Inc. is marketing the site.
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This will only work with a trans-river soda pipeline from South Jersey.
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2017, 10:19 PM
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“I was a little overly optimistic,” said Jeffrey Kozero of K4 Associates, a real estate firm based in Rockville, Md., that owns the 18-acre property.

Don't be so modest. Why, I'm sure you'll get this $1.2bn project completed in no time! Don't let the fact that so many others have failed or that you have never attempted any projects in this region or that your website doesn't indicate you've ever built anything to completion, or that this is only a master plan get you down. I'm sure this one will be smooth sailing.
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"Expected to move forward in spring."

Lol who exactly expected that?
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"The Millennials need a place to live and we're right between two bridges with direct access".

That quote from the article makes me question the integrity of the market research conducted. Research has shown that Millennials have less of a preference to drive cars; we like to bike, take public transportation, walk, and use car-sharing/ride-sharing services. What transit connections exist in that area besides the buses that serve the Pier 70 Shopping Center? That area isn't exactly walkable either. Additionally, that area is cut off and fairly isolated from the activity within Center City. I don't think many Millennials and young people move to a large city to be far from the amenities that come with urban city living.

Maybe the focus is on Millennials who work in the suburbs and older Millennials with families (and, thus, a car), but I don't those specific demographics are ones that he was referring to. If this development is primarily aimed at capturing younger Millennials, such as myself, then I don't believe it will perform well when compared to other buildings completed/under construction that offer superior locations, transit connections, urbanity, nightlife, etc. Maybe the lure will be lower rents? I can't imagine this location commanding top-level rents due to its location. The one thing we younger Millennials do have a lot of is student debt, so maybe this is the key demographic.
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This plan makes me very nervous.

First, I agree with the nature of the DRWC Master Plan - it is MUCH more advantageous to spread out this level of development over 10 piers instead of concentrating it in 2 piers. There is so much vacant and privately-held land along the water that lack of land is not a reality for the Delaware in the next 20 years or so at least. Therefore, there is not risk and only benefit of spreading it out so that more of the public realm is improved. For those high-rise developments further north on the Delaware like Waterfront Square - what was gained from those? Select developers may have profited more (and maybe not given the condo-bust) and a few buildings are taller, but in isolation they contribute hardly anything to the neighborhood.

Second, what happens if this plan is only partially implemented (i.e. like Waterfront Square)? Yes the renderings look like lovely and active urban spaces but this whole plan will require it seems 3,000+ units of residential demand. Does anyone think that could realistically happen, even in a 10 year period? Instead, when this ends up being a few high-rises and a partially undeveloped pier, what will that contribute to the neighborhood? Nothing more than Waterfront Square did. If this is permissible than the city needs to be ready for the risks of a partial version of this to happen. This particular site is no better located than prior failed high-rise visions on the Delaware - there is no better transit access, arguably a worse neighborhood than prior attempts near Northern Liberties and Fishtown, and even if no housing bubble bursts there is no reason to think there is this much demand. So be ready for a partial vision.

I hope my nerves are misplaced and I would love to be proved wrong, but this to me is a recipe for disaster and repeating the mistakes we have already learned elsewhere on the Delaware.
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Never. Gonna. Happen.
People would have said that 15 years ago about building a 700ft building on the West side of the Schuylkill.

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Unlike Blatstein, I don't know enough about this guy to dis' him. I'll believe this when (a) I see it or (b) Waterfront Square builds out its remaining towers.
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Summers posted this article back on the Philadelphia Highrise Thread, but did anyone catch the following phrase: "The developers also have applied for $44 million total in RACP state grants for the project."?

If SLS only received $1M out of $20M in requested RACP funds, what the hell makes K4 think that they'll receive $44M?
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Bill would break Delaware River height limits for S. Philly high-rise project

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Summers posted this article back on the Philadelphia Highrise Thread, but did anyone catch the following phrase: "The developers also have applied for $44 million total in RACP state grants for the project."?

If SLS only received $1M out of $20M in requested RACP funds, what the hell makes K4 think that they'll receive $44M?
That info was released before I believe. I know I saw it somewhere- it's a huge ask and there is no way they will get anywhere near that. If anything.
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That info was released before I believe. I know I saw it somewhere- it's a huge ask and there is no way they will get anywhere near that. If anything.
I wouldn't give them a dime if I was the City. It would be nice for the riverfront to develop. But filling the donut hole (East Market) or even pushing nice development down Broad to continue to improve the South Broad stretch to Washington is a much higher priority. And will make much more of a difference to the fabric of the city and how the city is experienced in more heavily traversed areas.
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I wouldn't give them a dime if I was the City. It would be nice for the riverfront to develop. But filling the donut hole (East Market) or even pushing nice development down Broad to continue to improve the South Broad stretch to Washington is a much higher priority. And will make much more of a difference to the fabric of the city and how the city is experienced in more heavily traversed areas.
I definitely agree with you about East Market and Broad but I personally believe the Delaware waterfront is a vast mine of potential the city has yet to fully tap into. This is why I believe initiatives like the I-95 capping are so vital. I don't think this project is necessarily going to change anything, but in general I think the waterfront must be given top priority moving forward. It would help the city so much in the long run.
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I definitely agree with you about East Market and Broad but I personally believe the Delaware waterfront is a vast mine of potential the city has yet to fully tap into. This is why I believe initiatives like the I-95 capping are so vital. I don't think this project is necessarily going to change anything, but in general I think the waterfront must be given top priority moving forward. It would help the city so much in the long run.
I'm all for the cap, and I think private development will hit adjacent areas bigtime once that park connects the river to the rest of the city between Chestnut and Walnut. Then, maybe other development along the river can and will follow.
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I'm all for the cap, and I think private development will hit adjacent areas bigtime once that park connects the river to the rest of the city between Chestnut and Walnut. Then, maybe other development along the river can and will follow.
Good point, can't disagree there.
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I wouldn't give them a dime if I was the City. It would be nice for the riverfront to develop. But filling the donut hole (East Market) or even pushing nice development down Broad to continue to improve the South Broad stretch to Washington is a much higher priority. And will make much more of a difference to the fabric of the city and how the city is experienced in more heavily traversed areas.
It's actually the state that issues the RCAP grants. Now every developer in Philly is trying to get on the list. Considering this project would create few permanent jobs and is highly unlikely to have other funding sources lined up I can't see the state giving up anything for this.
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It's actually the state that issues the RCAP grants. Now every developer in Philly is trying to get on the list. Considering this project would create few permanent jobs and is highly unlikely to have other funding sources lined up I can't see the state giving up anything for this.
True but it doesn't hurt to try. Aim big, hopefully miss small.
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Such a low key thing considering all of the other obstacles for this project, but honestly if they make that little marina have those stupid diagonal docks I will find the designer of that and slap them. Imagine getting a decent sized boat out of there. Many boats will hit a wall, I guarantee it.
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