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Old Posted Mar 18, 2017, 2:19 PM
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Canadian working in the U.S.? What you need to know about TN, H-1B visas

Specialized nurses working in Detroit who used TN visas now advised to apply for H-1B visas
CBC News Posted: Mar 16, 2017 5:54 PM ET Last Updated: Mar 17, 2017 9:47 AM ET

Canadian nurses working at Michigan hospitals were shocked last week when border security officers stopped them from entering the U.S. because of changes to their working visas under new immigration policies.

Marc Topoleski, an immigration lawyer for Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit, said the changes at the border stem from new U.S. immigration policies, but officials from the Cross Border Institute at the University of Windsor disagree.

According to Laurie Tannous, a special adviser to the institute, the changes come from border security enforcing existing NAFTA regulations that have not been enforced before.

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"There is no NAFTA or legal challenge to what they are doing," she said. There were far fewer specialized nurses needed in the U.S. when NAFTA rules were written, Tannous said.

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/trump-...roit-1.4028260
I gather that the specialized nurse visa thing has now been reversed - seems to have been a bureaucratic error more than anything else.
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2017, 3:02 AM
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And, since then, another one in Maryland. Those activist judges are everywhere! The irony, I gather, is that both judges took into account (rightly or wrongly, I couldn't say) Trump's anti-Muslim/Muslim ban campaign rhetoric in considering the challenges to the revised executive order. Politically, I don't know whether Trump really cares - his base sees him trying to do something he promised to do and being stymied by Courts, so this isn't putting the base off their man.
All I can is that this is what Trump is really scared of



We take it for granted that with the exception of really "SMART" millennials in san fransico/starbucks nobody is aware automation is coming.

The reality is its entirely possible that trump may have advisers who are just as worried about it as names like bill gates/elon musk/insert vally billionaire here.

If we can imagine as consenting educated adults that a billionaire may be taking advice from a person that is smarter than your average star bucks customer it might be possible that this might be part of their grand strategy.

Trump isn't a rebirth of fascism he's a rebirth of the anti globalisation/populist movements that arose during the late 1800s. When protectionism was an absolute norm.

The reality is a very real solution to runaway automation is to shut down borders/trade and restrict the labour supply.

I'm not saying that this is what trump is doing, but it seems like virtually every piece of rhetoric/actions etc falls directly in line with what one would do to adress runaway automation.
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2017, 3:48 AM
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This isn't the first "automation crisis" our society has dealt with. Europe had a large decrease in work required for menial tasks during the Industrial Revolution. The surplus people were dealt with by shipping them over the Atlantic... in huge numbers. During Queen Victoria's reign, Britain's population rose from 30 million to 40 million, and during that same period they lost an estimated 15 million people to colonial emigration.

So.. what we do now? Send unemployed blue collar men to colonize outer space?
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This isn't the first "automation crisis" our society has dealt with. Europe had a large decrease in work required for menial tasks during the Industrial Revolution. The surplus people were dealt with by shipping them over the Atlantic... in huge numbers. During Queen Victoria's reign, Britain's population rose from 30 million to 40 million, and during that same period they lost an estimated 15 million people to colonial emigration.
This time is different.

The equilibrium will not be reached for a generation.

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So.. what we do now? Send unemployed blue collar men to colonize outer space?
Yes actually.

I'll bet 1000 real dollars, that ten seconds after reusable heavy launch vehicles become viable your gonna see the space industry currently at about 20-40 billion dollars approach a half trillion.

EDIT: Not that we literally be sending blue collar folk. However once launch costs come down nasa can really ease it's quality control concerns. Things can become far heavier, less efficient, and less reliable.

When this happens it's possible that the aerospace manufacturing can become as common and as wide spread as arms manufacturing now is.

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Old Posted Mar 19, 2017, 8:43 PM
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Politically, I don't know whether Trump really cares - his base sees him trying to do something he promised to do and being stymied by Courts, so this isn't putting the base off their man.
Given that they're mostly immune to logic and reason, I think the only thing his alt-right base would find intolerable would be any posture indicating a lack of fealty to Steve Bannon.

Or perhaps an uncharacteristic moment where he doesn't act like a total douche would throw them for a loop and suspect that something isn't right. Though that doesn't seem likely to occur any time soon.
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