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Old Posted Dec 19, 2016, 9:46 PM
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It wouldn't be taller than the St. James.
It would best it by two feet. Remember how put off we all were back in 2003 when we learned that the building would be just under 500 feet?

For you post-Comcast Center folks, you have no idea how wacky this forum was during the heady 00's.
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It wouldn't be taller than the St. James.
It doesn't look 500' in the rendering, but if they build a 38-floor commercial tower, I don't see how it couldn't be higher than the St James -- and more like 555' given commercial heights per floor these days
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It doesn't look 500' in the rendering, but if they build a 38-floor commercial tower, I don't see how it couldn't be higher than the St James -- and more like 555' given commercial heights per floor these days
The Residence Inn directly to the West of this tower is 374 feet tall.

This tower looks to be about 490-500 FT.
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[QUOTE=summersm343;7656035]1. This is a preliminary design, and it's actually a pretty good design even though it's playing it safe.

Ya, calling it a 'safe' design is probably the best that can be said for it. That and that it doesn't have any cheap looking metal panels hanging on it.
I realize that few tenants are going to care as much about the look of the building as they do about the floor plans, elevator speed, and utility costs, but if this is a serious proposal and if the drawings that have been released are suppose to get people excited about moving there, then I'm not going to hold my breath.
On the plus side, SOM is a name that usually stands for good design, so there's some reason to believe that the design could get better. And although these drawings don't show much of anything having to do with detail, they could have been much worse.
And one more parking lot gets sent to that great parking lot in the sky.

Who is the owner of record for this property?

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Philly.com article has been updated. More info and quotes:

http://www.philly.com/philly/busines...City-Hall.html
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The Residence Inn directly to the West of this tower is 374 feet tall.

This tower looks to be about 490-500 FT.
Seems about right IMO. Just by looking at it, it doesn't fall into that 600' category nor is it 400'. Almost like muscle memory, call it rendering memory. Ahh... 500 feet! It just looks 500' and the 38 floor range, from other projects, is typical of that 480-520' range. For office that is.
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Why so many complaints?
It's a few feet taller than the PSFS building and that alone should be good enough for Market East.
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“It depends on the overall national economy and we’re pretty bullish on the national economy,” he said.
This kinda worries me, it seems to be a little too spec to be getting off the ground.

But then I'm also fairly bearish on our near-term economic prospects at the moment.
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It wouldn't be taller than the St. James.
You don't think so? Even if the floor plates were only 13' that would be 494 ft without the mechanicals, higher retail podium, etc.
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I suspect they have a sizeable tenant lined up already. Not for the whole building, but for enough space that maybe only one other tenant is needed to kick things off. And to be honest, this could also become the next overflow building for Comcast. Their history is that by the time they move into their new space(s), it's already at capacity. I always found it curious that if you worked at Comcast and were not lucky enough to be in their new buildings...you were relegated to 70s dreck. Talk about feeling like a second class citizen. Penn also have a sizeable amount of space in the Wanamaker Building for it's business operations. It could easily jump across the street.

Or...perhaps that tenant is already a client, maybe in Conshohocken? Clients often go to their existing landlords to flesh out plans for the future in advance.

I wouldn't be surprised if a major retailer wasn't already lined up as well...a la Bloomingdales, Bloomingdales Home, or Crate & Barrel, or something like that. A retailer that will require multiple large floor plates.
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It would best it by two feet. Remember how put off we all were back in 2003 when we learned that the building would be just under 500 feet?

For you post-Comcast Center folks, you have no idea how wacky this forum was during the heady 00's.
What made the St James "debacle" really distressing for us was the fact that the building was originally designed to be 501' - and then they revised the crown later on, reducing its angle of slope so that the tip only reached 498'.

I'm still just a little bitter about that lol.
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It wouldn't be taller than the St. James.
St. James is 498 Feet. This building should be very close to 500'-550' imo.
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You don't think so? Even if the floor plates were only 13' that would be 494 ft without the mechanicals, higher retail podium, etc.
office buildings floor to floor heights are typically more than residential. comcast is about 17' floor to floor, to allow daylight deeper into the space. But that has a larger floor plate than this will, from the way it looks, so maybe they go 16'. that still comes in at 608 feet total for a 38 story building. even 15' floor to floor comes in at 570 feet total, and I doubt it would be any less than 15 feet floor to floor. just speculation, I have no inside track on this.
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What made the St James "debacle" really distressing for us was the fact that the building was originally designed to be 501' - and then they revised the crown later on, reducing its angle of slope so that the tip only reached 498'.

I'm still just a little bitter about that lol.
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Any ideas why this thread doesn't show up on the 'Philadelphia Projects & Construction' page? Thanks
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Any ideas why this thread doesn't show up on the 'Philadelphia Projects & Construction' page?
1301 Market Street project status: Proposed.
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1301 Market Street project status: Proposed.
1911 Walnut St, 2100 Market St. Riverwalk, they all show at SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > United States > Northeast , but not 1301 Market St.
The above address is how I access the list of what I thought were all Philly threads, and those with new additions since my last visit are highlighted.
What other ways are there to see all Philly projects, proposed or otherwise?
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Any ideas why this thread doesn't show up on the 'Philadelphia Projects & Construction' page? Thanks
It just hasn't been added to Philadelphia Projects & Construction yet. Only admins can add threads to it, and I already sent this over to admin to have it added. Should be added soon.
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Office Tower Would Be Nice at 13th & Market

Article from Naked Philly:
http://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-phill...at-13th-market
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SOM-designed office tower planned for 13th and Market parking lot

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http://philly.curbed.com/2016/12/20/...s-philadelphia
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