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I got my DNA test results back TONIGHT.

Ireland: 56%
British Isles (which, oddly, overlaps with Ireland on the map): 28%
Scandinavia: 9%

And lots of ones WAY lower than that, all in western Europe.
Seems a Viking got in there at some point, so to speak! I've often whether my mainly Western and Northeastern Scots DNA wouldn't show a good bit of Scandinavian as well.
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Ancestry DNA tests have fallen dramatically in cost.. you can get one for $100 now.
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There's significant Norse ancestry in the modern Irish, for sure.
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I'm getting a DNA test done right now actually (it's being processed as we speak) and I'm quite excited for the result. From my own understanding of my ancestry, I'm a huge grab bag of various European ancestries. I have Irish, English, Scottish, Ashkenazi-Jewish, Quebecois/French-Canadian, and (non-Jewish/Slavic) Polish all confirmed within the past five generations, and I'm quite curious to see how DNA testing will play out with me.

One piece of the puzzle that I've always been curious about.. my skin tone and how my skin reacts to sun are both inconsistent with my known ancestry. Based on the numerous Northern European nations in the mix I should be very pale with skin that is susceptible to sunburn, yet I'm on the darker side of white and I tan very easily. I wonder if there's a piece of Southern European, African, or First Nations ancestry present that I don't know about.
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I got my DNA test results back TONIGHT.

Ireland: 56%
British Isles (which, oddly, overlaps with Ireland on the map): 28%
Scandinavia: 9%

And lots of ones WAY lower than that, all in western Europe.
That seems about right for NL, although I would be surprised to have any real Irish in mine. I would like to find out though.

Can someone recommend which one to use for the test?
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That seems about right for NL, although I would be surprised to have any real Irish in mine. I would like to find out though.

Can someone recommend which one to use for the test?
ancestry.ca does a popular one. So does 23andme.com. I'd recommend 23andme.

23andme.com has a larger sample size so you'll get a more detailed result, and furthermore, for an extra fee, you can also get a whole battery of health DNA tests from them at the same time.
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I got my DNA test results back TONIGHT.

Ireland: 56%
British Isles (which, oddly, overlaps with Ireland on the map): 28%
Scandinavia: 9%

And lots of ones WAY lower than that, all in western Europe.
Not surprised. There is more Scandinavian ancestry in NL than is usually recognized. (Though I highly doubt it's from the Vinland era.)

I've known a couple of people from NL who are keen on family trees and they had some Norwegian and Icelandic origins.
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Not surprised. There is more Scandinavian ancestry in NL than is usually recognized. (Though I highly doubt it's from the Vinland era.)

I've known a couple of people from NL who are keen on family trees and they had some Norwegian and Icelandic origins.

More likely present in the DNA as a component of the Irish ancestry, no? Those Viking raiders had a reputation for getting busy.....
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Yeah, from a realpolitik perspective, courting the Muslim vote is a thankless political task.

Muslims aren't a voting bloc like large, historically disenfranchised minorities in the US. I don't think most Muslims would vote for one party over another and, besides, they represent 3.2% of the Canadian population and are scattered across enough ridings that you can't pick up any seats in a FPTP system.

If you stand up in the HoC and vigorously defend the niqab - if that is the hill you choose to die on - then your outcome is:

- Many Muslims - particularly from backgrounds where the niqab isn't a thing - aren't swayed to vote for you on this policy alone;
- You alienate a large chunk of Quebeckers who actually do determine seats in a FPTP;
- You might sway a small minority of urban, Anglo voters who would've voted for you anyway and, again, don't determine seats.
I think it's probably a mistake to view the Liberal and NDP support for the niqab in isolation and to think it's primarily about the Muslim vote. These parties would support the Sikh turban and kirpan or some other religious symbolism as well if it was being debated.

So it's not about the niqab or the kirpan, but about the broader concept of tolerance for diversity. This is a huge part of the bread and butter of these two parties.

It's still electoralist of course: the target audience is still fast-growing immigrant communities who tend to be fairly religious and traditional ("we may not be crazy about the Muslims, but if they leave them alone they'll leave us alone too"), and also that constituency of Canadians who are not of immigrant origins but who subscribe to contemporary globalist principles.

It's a winning proposition. Especially for the Liberals.
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2017, 2:33 PM
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I think it's probably a mistake to view the Liberal and NDP support for the niqab in isolation and to think it's primarily about the Muslim vote. These parties would support the Sikh turban and kirpan or some other religious symbolism as well if it was being debated.

So it's not about the niqab or the kirpan, but about the broader concept of tolerance for diversity. This is a huge part of the bread and butter of these two parties.

It's still electoralist of course: the target audience is still fast-growing immigrant communities who tend to be fairly religious and traditional ("we may not be crazy about the Muslims, but if they leave them alone they'll leave us alone too"), and also that constituency of Canadians who are not of immigrant origins but who subscribe to contemporary globalist principles.

It's a winning proposition. Especially for the Liberals.
I think this is true, especially since Muslims themselves have no unified view on the issue.
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Not surprised. There is more Scandinavian ancestry in NL than is usually recognized. (Though I highly doubt it's from the Vinland era.)

I've known a couple of people from NL who are keen on family trees and they had some Norwegian and Icelandic origins.
It's likely based on last names.


My great great grandmother had a well know nordic name yet was totally irish.
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While it is indeed true that Vikings and Danes pillaged the Irish mainland and sent off the prettiest specimens to their various settlements (Icelanders are generally 25% Irish through their maternal lines with negligible Irish blood in their paternal lines, I wonder why ), they also settled extensively in Ireland during the Dark Ages, though not as much as in Northern England.
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I'm getting a DNA test done right now actually (it's being processed as we speak) and I'm quite excited for the result. From my own understanding of my ancestry, I'm a huge grab bag of various European ancestries. I have Irish, English, Scottish, Ashkenazi-Jewish, Quebecois/French-Canadian, and (non-Jewish/Slavic) Polish all confirmed within the past five generations, and I'm quite curious to see how DNA testing will play out with me.
Don't put too much stock into it.


If anthropologist can't figure out the link between migrations and genetics you can't really trust a website.



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One piece of the puzzle that I've always been curious about.. my skin tone and how my skin reacts to sun are both inconsistent with my known ancestry. Based on the numerous Northern European nations in the mix I should be very pale with skin that is susceptible to sunburn, yet I'm on the darker side of white and I tan very easily. I wonder if there's a piece of Southern European, African, or First Nations ancestry present that I don't know about.
Skin tone is a really poor indicator of ethnic background.

Skin tone is one of those rare traits that can evolve quite quickly.

There's actually a rather popular theory gaining steam that skin color might be a near cosmetic feature of our evolution. Someone largely removed from true survival based genetics.
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Don't put too much stock into it.


If anthropologist can't figure out the link between migrations and genetics you can't really trust a website.
The extent to which specific genes can be connected to specific nationalities is somewhat limited (which is why, for example, you get "Scandanavian" instead of "Swedish"), and there were some very wild stabs of guesses that geneticists made in the early days of sequencing technology, but today's ancestry tests are accurate for the level of detail they provide.
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