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Old Posted Feb 6, 2019, 12:14 AM
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I'm not particularly thrilled by the predominance of the aerial infrastructure. I would have much rather seen a trenched system, but i'm positive the geologic/volcanic/seismic conditions of Hawaii had engineers scared to do anything below ground level. They made a college try at beautifying the concrete aeriel structure, but I find it quite hideous. It looks like something you'd see in the developing SE Asia and I'm not convinced it will at all age well. But that being said, to many who have never visited, many areas of Oahu aren't particularly pretty at ground level, so maybe it's not as much a negative aesthetic impact.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2019, 1:04 AM
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Is it just me or does this project look like a huge elephant? Several stations in the middle of nowhere, unnecessarily elevated rail portions, a cost of $10 billion for 21 stations of which only 9 will open before 2025...

Sucks because I'm glad to see a city like Honolulu getting rail transit.
Isn't Montreal's REM very similar in design? But I get your point.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2019, 2:22 AM
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32 km of grade separated metro for 10 billion is that bad...

That is just over 300 million a KM.

The new 17km elevated Expo Line extension into Langley will be around 170 million per KM. (Metro Vancouver)

So not that bad for the US I guess.

I would also say that the closest comparison for the Honolulu project in NA would be Skytrain in Vancouver.
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2019, 12:36 AM
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I think you can add “Section 3” of the Los Angeles Purple Line to the list, as LA Metro has finally given the Notice to Proceed to the tunneling contractor on January 15, 2019, after months of delays from the federal government:
http://bit.ly/2WMz4Gz

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On January 15, Metro gave the Notice to Proceed for Frontier-Kemper/Tutor Perini (FKTP), a Joint Venture, to begin work on the subway tunnels in Section 3. Coordination between Metro and FKTP is underway, and tunneling is slated to begin in early 2020.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2019, 4:51 PM
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Isn't Montreal's REM very similar in design? But I get your point.
Similar in technology but the implementation is different.

REM is about 40% at-grade and runs in a highway median (A10), alongside another one (A40) and on an existing rail ROW (Deux-Montagnes line). Apart from one station (South Shore Terminal), the project is built near currently populated areas and employment centers, with several TOD opportunities. It's also much less expensive than HART (this can be attributed to several factors including an existing tunnel through the Mount Royal) with a $6.4B pricetag for 67km and 26 stations.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2019, 7:36 PM
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Honolulu's issue is that it's an El Paso or Birmingham AL-sized urbanized area with the transit needs of a Seattle. They should have a Metro and it should be roughly along this corridor (though with fewer western stops and more eastern ones). But because it's a small city and because US infrastructure is way more expensive than it should be, they can't really afford it.
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But because it's a small city and because US infrastructure is way more expensive than it should be, they can't really afford it.
That's too bad... I've read complaints like this over and over again on here, and I can understand your frustration.
Maybe your construction corporations are too greedy for real.

That being said, in my country, the workforce has been underpaid, which ain't right either.
Causing another frustration, and serious social issues.

I guess there's something right in the middle, between you guys and us.
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Honolulu also has the issue that theyre so isolated. That makes everything more expensive because it has to be shipped in. The price of some food items in their supermarkets are pretty shocking.
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Honolulu's issue is that it's an El Paso or Birmingham AL-sized urbanized area with the transit needs of a Seattle. They should have a Metro and it should be roughly along this corridor (though with fewer western stops and more eastern ones). But because it's a small city and because US infrastructure is way more expensive than it should be, they can't really afford it.
This is precisely a situation where the feds need to take mass transit more seriously and fund it as we do freeways. Where cities can't pay for it yet the need exists, we as a country need to fund it for the greater good.
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