TORONTO | Highrise Developments Compilation Thread - Page 128

Innsertnamehere · #**2541** Posted **Sep 12, 2016, 11:21 PM**

3450 Dufferin

CaliNative · #**2542** Posted **Sep 17, 2016, 11:00 AM**

How is the boom doing up there? I read in the L.A. Times that things are slowing in Vancouver because Chinese financing & buying of properties is starting to dwindle. Is Chinese money important in financing the Toronto boom? Any sign of slowing or fewer projects? I live in California, and things are still booming in new skyscraper construction in L.A., S.F. & San Diego (although our booms pale beside that of Toronto) but there is talk of a slowdown on the way. New York is starting to slow, and Chicago has only a few projects going up. Miami has slowed. So, what is the situation in Canada, and Toronto in particular? Thanks.

P.S. off topic, but is there a rivalry between Toronto & Montreal like there is between L.A. & S.F., Houston & Dallas? Are Montreal people envious of Toronto, & vis versa? Didn't Montreal used to be the biggest & most important city in Canada, but now that is Toronto? Montrealers must chafe a bit at that. The Montreal skyline used to be best in Canada, but now pales besides that of Toronto. Why isn't Montreal booming like Toronto?

Innsertnamehere · #**2543** Posted **Sep 17, 2016, 9:06 PM**

Lots of questions in there, I'll try to answer them the best I can.

Vancouver has long had a much larger Chinese presence, the city is sort of a play place for the children of China's wealthy. Its seen as largely utopian in China from my understanding, with the clean air, beautiful mountains, etc. Given its on the Pacific coast of the continent, its also closer to China than Toronto, and has historically always had a large Chinese-Canadian population. What has caused a bit of a slowdown is a recent introduction of a foreign property buyers tax, which places a 15% tax on property buyers who are not Canadian residents. Chinese purchases in Vancouver existed, but they were not a dominant force in the market as many suspected, probably around 5% of the market. (Toronto's is estimated to be around 2%). What this new tax however has done is place a "shock" in the market, as 5% of the market has disappeared. the other 95% is now sitting around scared waiting to see what the market will do, and it has in effect cooled the market.

Toronto has not had this tax put in place, so it continues unabated like normal.

Toronto has added 100,000 people to its metro area every year for the past 40 years or so. Today it is a city of 6.2 million people, but at the turn of the century it was around 4.5 million. The city grows at a pace similar to that of the fastest growing american cities such as Houston or Dallas. The place is at a breakneck speed, and has planning policies encouraging intensification instead of suburban sprawl (which is what it mostly did in the 1980's and 1990's). This means skyscrapers galore, and the city tends to be less beholden to the market like american cities. Skyscrapers in the US are largely "luxury" goods for wealthy companies and people - less so in Toronto, where they are for the cities middle class. This puts a lot more pressure on growth, and in turn means they tend to get built at a relatively half decent speed regardless of the economy.

As for Montreal, It was indeed once Canada's main city. Toronto has been growing faster than it for almost a century now, and took the #1 spot in the 1970's as the big Canadian banks moved to Toronto due to separatism fears that were peaking at the time. Toronto has been the biggest city in the country for the last 40 years, but its only really the last 15 or so that it has really started to culturally dominate Montreal. The gap in population is now significant, with Toronto being over 50% bigger. That gap means that the two cities have largely "accepted" their positions I guess, with no real significant conflict. Toronto is Canada's dominant city, and that is sort of the way it is.. If anything there is more conflict between Vancouver and Toronto.

Montreal is also growing at a half decent pace, just not quite as much as Toronto. Montreal grows by about 40,000 people annually. They have quite a few skyscrapers under construction too, but they have a height limit downtown so they aren't as tall.

CaliNative · #**2544** Posted **Sep 17, 2016, 9:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Lots of questions in there, I'll try to answer them the best I can.

Vancouver has long had a much larger Chinese presence, the city is sort of a play place for the children of China's wealthy. Its seen as largely utopian in China from my understanding, with the clean air, beautiful mountains, etc. Given its on the Pacific coast of the continent, its also closer to China than Toronto, and has historically always had a large Chinese-Canadian population. What has caused a bit of a slowdown is a recent introduction of a foreign property buyers tax, which places a 15% tax on property buyers who are not Canadian residents. Chinese purchases in Vancouver existed, but they were not a dominant force in the market as many suspected, probably around 5% of the market. (Toronto's is estimated to be around 2%). What this new tax however has done is place a "shock" in the market, as 5% of the market has disappeared. the other 95% is now sitting around scared waiting to see what the market will do, and it has in effect cooled the market.

Toronto has not had this tax put in place, so it continues unabated like normal.

Toronto has added 100,000 people to its metro area every year for the past 40 years or so. Today it is a city of 6.2 million people, but at the turn of the century it was around 4.5 million. The city grows at a pace similar to that of the fastest growing american cities such as Houston or Dallas. The place is at a breakneck speed, and has planning policies encouraging intensification instead of suburban sprawl (which is what it mostly did in the 1980's and 1990's). This means skyscrapers galore, and the city tends to be less beholden to the market like american cities. Skyscrapers in the US are largely "luxury" goods for wealthy companies and people - less so in Toronto, where they are for the cities middle class. This puts a lot more pressure on growth, and in turn means they tend to get built at a relatively half decent speed regardless of the economy.

As for Montreal, It was indeed once Canada's main city. Toronto has been growing faster than it for almost a century now, and took the #1 spot in the 1970's as the big Canadian banks moved to Toronto due to separatism fears that were peaking at the time. Toronto has been the biggest city in the country for the last 40 years, but its only really the last 15 or so that it has really started to culturally dominate Montreal. The gap in population is now significant, with Toronto being over 50% bigger. That gap means that the two cities have largely "accepted" their positions I guess, with no real significant conflict. Toronto is Canada's dominant city, and that is sort of the way it is.. If anything there is more conflict between Vancouver and Toronto.

Montreal is also growing at a half decent pace, just not quite as much as Toronto. Montreal grows by about 40,000 people annually. They have quite a few skyscrapers under construction too, but they have a height limit downtown so they aren't as tall.

Great & thoughtful answers. Thanks! Regarding Montreal, don't they have a (silly) law that forbids skyscrapers from being higher than the summit of Mont Royal? I vaguely remember reading that somewhere. If I were Montreal, I'd love to put up a few 300 meter towers to compete with Toronto.

Also, in Toronto, I notice that the tallest buildings stop at about 300 meters, just shy of "supertall" status. Is there some kind of law preventing, say, a 350 or 400 meter skyscraper? In. L.A. & S.F., supertalls have been allowed by "buying" and transferring development rights from adjacent parcels. For example, the supertall Library Tower (U.S. bank) bought height rights from the L.A. Main Library across the street (funding reconstruction of the library), allowing the tower to go higher.

Is there a homeless problem in Canada, specifically Toronto? Would be brutal to be homeless in the winter. Homeless are now all over California cities, perhaps because of the mild weather. It looks like the shantytown/"Hooverville" Great Depression years in L.A., S.F. and San Diego, and the crisis is getting worse by the day. The price of housing is so high, that many people are driven to homelessness. If you are homeless, I guess the place to be so is California, Florida or Hawaii. I wish California cities could be more decent to the poor & develop more low cost housing. Even safe parking places & campgrounds would be better than what we have now. Sad. Maybe cities are afraid the "kinder" they are, the more homeless will come from other places, maybe even Canada? It wouldn't shock me if cold weather cities are "dumping" their homeless on California and other warm places. Or maybe the homeless are just self relocating. In any case, the problem is terrible, and getting worse. Just the other day, in San Diego, a lady foung a homeless woman sleeping outside her door. She woke the woman, telling her to please move on, and was attacked. The homeless woman hit her and pulled out some of her hair. A real crisis.

Finally, does Canada have many "illegal" or non-authorized immigrants like the U.S. does? Is it an issue there? How are "illegal" immigrants dealt with? Are they allowed to stay in Canada?

Thanks!

Acajack · #**2545** Posted **Sep 18, 2016, 3:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by CaliNative

P.S. off topic, but is there a rivalry between Toronto & Montreal like there is between L.A. & S.F., Houston & Dallas? Are Montreal people envious of Toronto, & vis versa? Didn't Montreal used to be the biggest & most important city in Canada, but now that is Toronto? Montrealers must chafe a bit at that. The Montreal skyline used to be best in Canada, but now pales besides that of Toronto. Why isn't Montreal booming like Toronto?

There is not nearly as much of a rivalry between Toronto and Montreal than you might believe. Montreal is quite self-absorbed and also still serves as the metropolis in basically all respects for French-speaking Canada which is almost one-quarter of the country. Toronto also doesn't really have a rivalry with Montreal in its mind. Toronto looks to NYC more than anything. I'd say the only rivalry would be related to the Habs and Maple Leafs.

Toronto and Montreal weren't even that big rivals in the days when Montreal was first and Toronto poises to overtake it.

softee · #**2546** Posted **Sep 19, 2016, 1:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by CaliNative

Also, in Toronto, I notice that the tallest buildings stop at about 300 meters, just shy of "supertall" status. Is there some kind of law preventing, say, a 350 or 400 meter skyscraper? In. L.A. & S.F., supertalls have been allowed by "buying" and transferring development rights from adjacent parcels. For example, the supertall Library Tower (U.S. bank) bought height rights from the L.A. Main Library across the street (funding reconstruction of the library), allowing the tower to go higher.

Is there a homeless problem in Canada, specifically Toronto?

There is no law preventing supertalls in Toronto. There are currently two supertalls approved for construction in downtown Toronto and a third proposed. "The One" located at Yonge and Bloor is in site preparation.

Unfortunately there is indeed a homeless problem in Toronto, during a walk around the downtown area I encounter many homeless sleeping on the sidewalks or begging.

Automation Gallery · #**2547** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 12:59 PM**

"M City" (10 towers - 21s-60s)

M City will transform 15 acres southwest of Mississauga City Centre, image courtesy of Rogers Real Estate Development Ltd.

Looking northeast across the new park to Core's 51-storey first tower at M City, image courtesy of Rogers Real Estate

Mississauga to host 10-tower condo project
The Rogers development promises more than two acres of public parkland in an area once meant for a radio transmitter.
https://www.thestar.com/business/201...o-project.html

Automation Gallery · #**2548** Posted **Oct 1, 2016, 3:59 PM**

Tux Condos (42s, -?m/ft. Great Gulf, Quadrangle)

Back in the market

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357 KING ST W
Ward 20 - Tor & E.York District

Rezoning application to permit the redevelopment of the lands containing an existing approved mixed use building to permit a 42 Storey residential building containing 325 residential units with 1300m2 of ground floor retail. See previous zoning by-law amendment 10-192451 STE 20 OZ.
Proposed Use --- # of Storeys --- # of Units ---

Applications:
Type Number Date Submitted Status
Rezoning 16 231281 STE 20 OZ Sep 30, 2016 Under Review
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Galleria Mall Redevelopment - 1245 Dupont St @ Dufferin (12 Bldgs. 12s-22s, incl. 3 towers, 42s-36s-34s, Freed/ELAD)

Plan to develop Toronto’s Galleria mall raises ire of city councillors, residents

The plans for the Galleria site clump the location together with the existing Wallace Emerson Community Centre to the south. The land would be dissected by a new diagonal road, with the area to the south turned into parkland. To the north, two new streets and a pedestrian walkway would be lined with two floors of ground-level retail. The condos, 3,400 units, would then be stacked on top. In all, the site would include 12 towers, most 12 to 22 storeys, but with three along Dupont at 36 storeys, 42 storeys and 34 storeys.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle32155806/

1245 DUPONT ST
Ward 18 - Tor & E.York District

The proposal introduces a new street and block configuration that contains a range of housing tenures including rental, affordable and ownership. Proposed for the site are 3416 residential units and 150 affordable housing units, 222895 m2 of residential gross floor area, 29912 m2 of retail gross floor area, 6391 m2 of office gross floor area and 4738 m2 of community space. 3280 total vehicular and 3602 bicycle parking spaces will be provided.
Proposed Use --- # of Storeys --- # of Units ---

Applications:
Type Number Date Submitted Status
OPA & Rezoning 16 231334 STE 18 OZ Sep 30, 2016 Application Received
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GeneralLeeTPHLS · #**2549** Posted **Oct 1, 2016, 4:28 PM**

Tux Condos doesn't look too t quite a glass hulk, but a bit more than that, the black, if done right, will be a nice contrast.

Automation Gallery · #**2550** Posted **Oct 7, 2016, 4:19 AM**

4800 Yonge Street (49s-167m/548 feet, Menkes, Arquitectonica)

New renderings

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2 Carlton Street (2x 72 storey-?m/feet)

Wont be long before we see something on this new proposed development

proposal to replace the structure on the right

with this
2 CARLTON ST
Ward 27 - Tor & E.York District

The proposed redevelopment consists of a 72 storey residential condominium apartment building consisting of a 7 storey podium and two 65 storey towers, set beck from the podium, with retail uses on the first and second levels and amenity space on the sixth - tenth levels. A total of 1100 residential units are proposed with a total gross floor area of 89,330 m2 comprised of 2293 m2 of non-residential gross floor area and 87,037 m2 of residential gross floor area. A total of 265 vehicle and 1129 bicycle parking spaces are proposed.
Proposed Use --- # of Storeys --- # of Units ---
Applications:
Type Number Date Submitted Status
Rezoning 16 232828 STE 27 OZ Oct 4, 2016 Under Review
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Axis Condos (38s-122m/400 feet, CentreCourt, P + S / IBI

6 Noble Street (14s-51m/167 feet, Sweeny &Co

6 NOBLE ST
Ward 14 - Tor & E.York District

Zoning By-law Amendment application to construct a 14-storey, mixed use building containing commercial use at grade, 174 residential units, and 76 below-grade parking spaces. A Site Plan Control application has not yet been submitted in conjuntion with this application.
Proposed Use --- # of Storeys 14 # of Units 174
Applications:
Type Number Date Submitted Status
Rezoning 16 218808 STE 14 OZ Sep 7, 2016 Under Review

koops65 · #**2551** Posted **Oct 7, 2016, 1:20 PM**

Edit...

colemonkee · #**2552** Posted **Oct 7, 2016, 2:56 PM**

4800 Yonge looks great! That area has developed into it's own mini-skyline!

enrigue8 · #**2553** Posted **Oct 7, 2016, 8:33 PM**

I have the render of 2 Carlton street

A true masterpiece !

C. · #**2554** Posted **Oct 8, 2016, 5:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by enrigue8

I have the render of 2 Carlton street

A true masterpiece !

Loving the unapologetic boldness of this and a few of the other proposals. Galleria Mall looks fascinating.

Automation Gallery · #**2555** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 2:10 PM**

1 Eglinton Square (5 Bldgs. 2x25s, 30s, 38s. 40s-?m, Quadrangle)

1 EGLINTON SQ
Ward 35 - Scarborough District

Official plan amendment comprised of five development blocks for a mixed use community. Includes land known as 1-70 Eglinton Square, 1431 & 1437 Victoria Park Avenue, 14,18,19,23 & 26 Englehart Crescent and 64, 68 Harris Park Drive. Stacked townhomes and five mixed use towers ranging from 25 to 40 storeys.

Proposed Use --- # of Storeys --- # of Units ---

Applications:
Type Number Date Submitted Status
OPA 16 230579 ESC 35 OZ Sep 29, 2016 Under Review
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Harris Square Condos (River City Phase 4, Urban Capital, 11s-/?m, Saucier + Perrotte)

http://rivercitytoronto.com/harris-square/
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254 King St E @ Princess (Pemberton, 2x 32s-107m/351 feet, IBI Group)

254 KING ST E
Ward 28 - Tor & E.York District

The proposed mixed use redevelopment consists of two residential towers with a unified base building with a total height of 32 storeys (107 m). The towers are connected by bridge elements from floors 12 to 21 and floors 26 to 31 which will be used for amenity space. A total of 938 residential units are proposed with a total gross floor area of 61,500 m2, the base building provides 3,500 m2 of retail/commercial uses. Parking for 259 vehicles and 938 bicycle will be provided on 3 levels of underground parking.
Proposed Use --- # of Storeys 32 # of Units 938
Applications:
Type Number Date Submitted Status
Rezoning 16 232831 STE 28 OZ Oct 4, 2016 Under Review
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Automation Gallery · #**2556** Posted **Oct 14, 2016, 7:18 PM**

33 Gerrard West Redevelopment (2x88s-285m/935 feet, 1x49s-168m/551 feet, Great Eagle, architectsAlliance)

A re-design and a bit taller

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Eight Cumberland (51s-?m, Great Gulf, architectsAlliance)

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Gresto · #**2557** Posted **Oct 14, 2016, 9:09 PM**

Thanks as usual for your updates, AG. I love the stark minimalism of the Gerrard design.

The Macallan · #**2558** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 9:48 PM**

There is an interesting article on Urban Toronto on the proposed development at 33 Gerrard W, now called "Chelsea Green." The most notable feature of the development would be a pair of 88 storey towers, taller than the nearby Aura.

http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2016/10/...-chelsea-hotel