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Old Posted Jan 15, 2010, 3:26 PM
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John/Rebecca urban park

There's been some talks about a new urban park taking place at John and Rebecca and it finally appears the City is working on it.

Remediation of 76 John Street North

http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/...004REVISED.pdf

The remediation costs currently estimated at $171,500.

The Downtown Secondary Plan recognizes parks, squares and open-spaces as valuable assets for Downtown regeneration and designates the block bounded by Rebecca, King William, John and Catharine Streets as parkland. The development of a park in this area of the Downtown will enhance the lifestyle of area residents and add to the value of potential residential development within the vicinity. The park will be constructed in two phases; the first phase being the existing municipally owned parking lot fronting on John and Rebecca Streets; the second phase being the land that fronts on Catharine and King William Streets that currently has two privately-operated businesses located on the property. The second phase of the urban park will be implemented in the future when/if considered economically viable.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2010, 3:51 PM
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Is that the area that looks like it used to be a bus terminus?
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Club 77 / The Underground

The site is directly across Rebecca St. from the old bus terminal (now the Hamilton Urban Core Community Health Centre)

Does the city intend to acquire and demolish the Shawarma Restaurant and Club 77 (formerly E. & C. Gurney Company) buildings?

The King William Streetscape Masterplan shows no buildings on the site.
http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/...MasterPla2.pdf
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2010, 4:36 PM
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the second phase being the land that fronts on Catharine and King William Streets that currently has two privately-operated businesses located on the property. The second phase of the urban park will be implemented in the future when/if considered economically viable.
Yea they'll demo it whenever the city gets money.
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City plans core park in place of parking lot

August 06, 2010
Nicole O'Reilly
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/821173

"They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot," Joni Mitchell sang. Hamilton is doing the opposite, turning a big contaminated parking lot into a downtown park.

Rumours and ideas have been circulating for years about turning the roughly 0.6-hectare plot of asphalt on the southeast corner of John Street North and Rebecca Street into a park, but concrete plans and a timeline only began to take shape recently.

"It's an important part of making the downtown livable," said Ron Marini, the city's director of downtown community renewal, adding that it will be designed to be a respite area and safe place.

Staff are working on a master plan for the park for this fall, followed by community consultation, council debates and finally construction beginning in 2013.

It is possible the city could enlarge the park by buying neighbouring buildings on King William.

The first step is to clean up the land. According to a Phase 2 environmental assessment in 2008, it is contaminated with petroleum hydrocarbons. Marini said tests show no chemical spread and no danger to the public.

The paving has sealed the contaminated soil for the roughly 50 years the site has been a parking lot, since a Hamilton Stove and Heater industrial facility closed, he said.

From an urban planning perspective it's a "no-brainer" that parks add value to downtowns, said Mason White, an assistant professor in the University of Toronto's John H. Daniels Faculty of Architecture, Landscape, and Design.

"This could be the catalyst for the downtown," he said.

Hamilton has an opportunity to be innovative with this park, he said, suggesting the city should maybe look into adding solar panels or other progressive features.

White pointed to Vancouver and cities in Germany as places where there are innovative parks.

"A public space needs an identity," he said.

He also suggested inviting the public into the designing process.

Area councillor Bob Bratina said it should be a boost to turn the swath of asphalt into parkland.

Right now it's a "desperate-looking streetscape," he said.

Park development should go hand-in-hand with residential development, like condos or townhouses, downtown, Bratina said.

The city is in the process of hiring a company to conduct the $171,500 cleanup of 600 to 1,000 cubic metres of soil at the site. Interested parties had until this week to file a prequalification document. The cleanup is to start this fall and take between four and five weeks.

The site will be repaved for continued use as a parking lot before park development, Marini said.

The lost parking spaces will be made up at 140 King William St., according to a Dec. 14, 2009, city document about the site.

Petroleum hydrocarbons are a number of different chemical compounds that originate from crude oil. The Ministry of the Environment regulates acceptable levels of these chemicals, which can vary depending on the use of the property. These regulations are being strengthened effective July 2011.

The ministry has no record of issues at the John Street North site, said spokesperson Jennifer Hall. However, the ministry has to be flagged only if there is risk of spreading, or if ongoing monitoring has to be set up during remediation.

The John Street property, bounded by Catharine Street on the east, will not be the first contaminated site to become a park. The Matilda Street Natural Playground will officially open tomorrow.

It was built on a former Shell gas station on King Street West in Dundas. That property, too, was contaminated with petroleum hydrocarbons.

The city has been tracking both properties through its contaminated site management program, which follows city-owned brownfield properties.
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The site will be repaved for continued use as a parking lot before park development, Marini said. The lost parking spaces will be made up at 140 King William St., according to a Dec. 14, 2009, city document about the site.
Presumably where the Lyric/Century once stood?
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Presumably where the Lyric/Century once stood?
Isn't the EcDev Dept in serious planning w/ a major grocer to locate here? Would that mean an Underground Garage to 'make up' for lost spots?
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Pic #2

There's a second public information centre coming up soon for the public to review and provide feedback on 3 preliminary design concepts for the proposed park at John and Rebecca.

Here's the details:

When: Wednesday, December 7, 2011
Where: Hamilton Central Library,
Wentworth Room
Time: 5:00pm to 8:30pm
Presentation to begin at 6:00pm

http://www.hamilton.ca/CityDepartmen...becca+Park.htm

If you want to participate in the workshop, you're supposed to register with the project's manager, Le'Ann Seely (email: LeAnn.Seely@hamilton.ca, telephone: 905-546-2424 ext 2289).
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I like option 3 the most since it has more of a presence to King William. The other two options have trees covering the Park along King William.
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I like option 3 the most since it has more of a presence to King William. The other two options have trees covering the Park along King William.
At the public stakeholder group meeting, there seemed to be a leaning towards the third option as the favourite as well. As you noted, the inviting entrance along the entire length of King William was well liked, with its art plaza linking to the already exisiting art walk along the street. The water feature+bridge at the Northeast end of the park that decends the slight grade change was also well received.

It's worth mentioning that having good sight lines through the park from all the surrounding streets to ensure safety is apparently a priority of the design, so the trees covering the park along King William in the other 2 options may not be as obtrusive as they appear in plan view.
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according to the city of hamilton secondary plan the parking lot at hughson and rebecca has already been reserved as a future park - as in, a green park with trees. This would be nice as this area is just a concrete sea at the moment.
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according to the city of hamilton secondary plan the parking lot at hughson and rebecca has already been reserved as a future park - as in, a green park with trees. This would be nice as this area is just a concrete sea at the moment.
Actually the parks is to go at John and Rebecca
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Actually the parks is to go at John and Rebecca
Not anymore my friend - that proposal died in 2012. They were also proposing to destroy the underground in the process of building that park.. which is retarded as it's a thriving business..

According to hamilton's revised secondary plan - the new park proposal is at hughson and rebecca (green shaded is future park, pink is municipal surface parking lot)



You can see the comparison here - this one makes much more sense, as this area is a grand focal point, and the other one is more tucked away. It's also one of the only spots that takes up an entire block.


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Not anymore my friend - that proposal died in 2012. They were also proposing to destroy the underground in the process of building that park.. which is retarded as it's a thriving business..

According to hamilton's revised secondary plan - the new park proposal is at hughson and rebecca (green shaded is future park, pink is municipal surface parking lot

You can see the comparison here - this one makes much more sense, as this area is a grand focal point, and the other one is more tucked away. It's also one of the only spots that takes up an entire block.
Hmm, did not know it was scrapped, I seem to recall there being an article last year about the John Rebecca location being a go still, it was just swapped with the Gore park reno.

Ah Here it is,
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/6...-near-club-77/

I'll be disappointed if it goes to this other lot, maybe it's just me but the north stretch of Hughson there looks kind of a tough nut to crack as far as infill, so many utilities buildings around there if I'm not mistaken. Walking through has always been unpleasant.

I like the original location because. (firehall aside) it transitions nicely from King William which is the crown jewel as far as cozy walkable streets in Hamilton, and personally John is one of the streets I'd like to see have the same level of TLC as James.
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This is a 2016 article so it is obviously still the city's plan to build a park between John and Catharine
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This is a 2016 article so it is obviously still the city's plan to build a park between John and Catharine
^^ Exactly right.

Residents of the neighbouring loft bldg have been actively pushing the process forward. There was a delegation to Council in September http://bit.ly/2udzhr5
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A park is better than a parking lot. But with the way things are going in Hamilton, shouldn't it be developed with, perhaps, a park or public space included in that development? I think that would be the better option.
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In Chronamut's sat picture, there are still soooo many surface parking lots...it's gonna be great to see most of those disappear over time...
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There's a popup park in the lot right at the corner of Rebecca and Catherine right now. Seems to be just some astroturf.
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