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Old Posted Oct 17, 2018, 7:08 PM
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Yeah but machine learning can be very susceptible to pathological adversarial inputs and I don't think clear defenses have been established yet (see e.g. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.07107.pdf ).
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2018, 7:18 PM
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I hadn't heard of this "adversarial" issue. This is even new terminology to me.
Thank you for sharing.
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Guess it's only a matter of years from now.


Yeah, 50.
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2018, 12:34 AM
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Yeah, 50.
never... for non rich people. unless its a only driverless car taxi thats only in a few cities probably.
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2018, 1:30 PM
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^ Bah, it's always the same. The latest stuff is always overpriced at first, then it eventually goes affordable and people can enjoy it as something regular in the end.

There's nothing much foreseeable at the moment, because this digital economy's faster and faster, thus unpredicatble right now.
Even the biggest experts don't seem to really have a clue; can't tell us what exactly 2025 or 30 will be like.

They just say we're living some kind of 3rd industrial revolution that started very slowly from the 1970s with the early computer industry, but now it got to some pretty insane pace.
So you could expect some fully autonomous peronal vehicles by 2030 or 40 at the latest. That sounds reasonable, but who knows? It could as well be sooner than suspected.

It won't change the fact that cars are cumbersome in dense environments anyway, so I would expect this tech to mainly serve people in the suburbs and remote semi-rural areas, as an efficient complement to urban mass transit.
It could help them get to city centers more effectively and faster whenever they need to, which would be some nice improvement.
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2018, 2:15 PM
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Autonomous buses will be a gamechanger for urban areas, if they ever appear (and they should be an easier problem then fully autonomous vehicles, since they have approximately fixed routes).
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Autonomous buses will be a gamechanger for urban areas, if they ever appear (and they should be an easier problem then fully autonomous vehicles, since they have approximately fixed routes).
Think about how relatively easy driverless streetcars/street-running light rail would be as compared to driverless buses. Plus, they're much more energy-efficient than buses and less maintenance over time.

Unfortunately, a driverless streetcar, let alone a driverless bus, is a much less interesting prospect in the public's mind.
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Autonomous buses could probably be all the easier to develop since in best cases, they have their dedicated/segregated lanes like light rail vehicles, just about spared from car traffic management.

Although cabs and cyclists are allowed to use bus lanes too here, which doesn't make it as convenient as it could be from a design perspective, beside other problems affecting bus lines. Especially the fact that they are much less recognizable or identifiable than transit lines based on rail.
Hundreds and hundreds of bus lines where I live, literally. It is often confusing, puzzling.

I think rail will remain a more reliable medium in an urban setting, even for locals. Moreover, there is tough competition in manufacturing trams, so I guess Siemens, Bombardier, Alstom and others will be eager to implement some AI for their LRT vehicles too.
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if they make driverless three wheel $5,000 cars poor people could afford it. i like those three wheel two seater tandem cars. its easy to drive and if you need to text or something the driverless would drive for a bit.
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Moreover, there is tough competition in manufacturing trams, so I guess Siemens, Bombardier, Alstom and others will be eager to implement some AI for their LRT vehicles too.
A driverless in-street rail system could be augmented by cameras/sensors on the trolley poles, other utility poles, and neighboring buildings. The driverless system wouldn't be completely reliant on on-board sensors, and as such, the vehicle could much more easily anticipate issues a block before the problem is encountered.
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