SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[SDfan]

Originally Posted by Bertrice

And yet some of the beach is walled off by some of these older buildings. Maybe that's what scared everyone into height limits.
I posted this like 2 years ago. A pb planning group started a smaller offshoot called Beautiful PB. I don't know if they have any traction. They had a booth at beachfest. Not sure if this group includes nimby Scott Chipman

http://beautifulpb.com/projects/pb-parks/

Nice. They look mostly infrastructure-based. The day I see someone or some group advocating for 4-6 story buildings along the coast is the day I jump for joy (or can expect the apocalypse).

[Leo the Dog]

Originally Posted by mello

Leo: Ok fine redo the Mission Bay motel a al Pearl in Point Loma, but what do you have to say about all of the other things? How can stand alone fast food places with parking lots be a smart use of such prime land?

Sdfan: What about doing underground parking with 3 floors of residential on top? Still within the lame coastal height limit but will help the look and feel of the area. I don't think people voted to preserve Burger King, and what used to be Taco Bell behind it don't even know what the hell it is. Doesn't the council member from that area have a clue

Mello,
I'm definitely with you on this. The beach areas have become ratty. An unintended consequence of preserving the character of the community is that the housing stock has aged and cheap renters with many roommates have taken over. PB has become a high density student housing district. I would argue that the NIMBYs have created a much bigger mess in PB.

[HurricaneHugo]

Originally Posted by SDfan

Here is the view from Sherman Heights:


I think it has 5-6 stories left.

Why are you supporting that Wal-Mart!

jk

[SDfan]

Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo

Why are you supporting that Wal-Mart!

jk

For the same reasons I'm going to love shopping at the new Target in South Park.

[Puzzlecraft]

Groundbreaking this December 1(didn't see this posted here).

Date Street between Columba and India to be turned into the plaza.

http://www.sdbj.com/news/2014/nov/18...e-italy-plaza/

[psychotron]

Looks great! SD needs more of this! Wonder what the status of those mixed use buildings are in the rendering. As it stands now, that stretch of W Date St is a stark difference, with some duplexes and a parking lot.

[psychotron]

15th & Island is a beast. Hopefully it'll serve as an anchor and catalyst for development to push further east.

[Bertrice]

airport car rental center restaurant

http://sandiego.eater.com/2014/11/20...taurant-tenant

[Northparkwizard]

Fundraising campaign to assess and restore the historic North Park water tower.

http://sduptownnews.com/north-park-h...y-nov-21-2014/

[spoonman]

Originally Posted by psychotron

Looks great! SD needs more of this! Wonder what the status of those mixed use buildings are in the rendering. As it stands now, that stretch of W Date St is a stark difference, with some duplexes and a parking lot.

The 2 buildings in the rendering are supposed to connect via a parking garage under the street. I would think any work on the plaza would have to be done once the excavation and construction of the underground garage has occurred. That said, I'm not sure why it wasn't mentioned in the article.

[SDfan]

Originally Posted by Northparkwizard

Fundraising campaign to assess and restore the historic North Park water tower.

http://sduptownnews.com/north-park-h...y-nov-21-2014/

I hope they can find the funding for all the work that needs to be done.

[SDfan]

Good news?

Appeals court rejects SANDAG transportation plan

A transportation plan for the San Diego region lacks details about how future projects might worsen climate change and air quality — and fails to offer ways to address those problems, a state appeals court ruled Monday.

By a 2-1 vote, a panel of the California Court of Appeal, Fourth Appellate District rejected the environmental analysis for a $200 billion transportation plan prepared by the San Diego Association of Governments, or SANDAG, concluding that it downplayed harmful effects of future transportation projects.

The court found that the transportation blueprint glossed over projections that climate pollutants would increase sharply by 2050. Doing so conflicts with state directives to lower emissions by then, and with a state law that requires agencies to disclose and reduce the environmental risks of proposed projects, the court stated.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/...n-environment/

[HurricaneHugo]

Boo.

[aerogt3]

Originally Posted by Northparkwizard

Fundraising campaign to assess and restore the historic North Park water tower.

http://sduptownnews.com/north-park-h...y-nov-21-2014/

1.7 million to restore an unused water tank.... just because its old?

Aren't there transit and park projects that need funding??

[EastVillageSD]

Originally Posted by psychotron

15th & Island is a beast. Hopefully it'll serve as an anchor and catalyst for development to push further east.

Went to the restaurant on the corner of that project. Halcyon Coffee / Stella Public House. Awesome space! This will do wonders for the neighborhood.

I just hope that they have enough capital to last until the pinnacle project is complete, because there is not that much foot traffic in that part of EVSD yet.

[mello]

So does this mean that the widening of the 5 will be delayed again? I am all for transit in the densely populated South of 8 neighborhoods but lets face it Coastal North County is not nearly dense enough for transit to work. The 5 does need to be widened and SD county's population is not growing fast enough for it to get clogged up again if it is 7 lanes each way.

If we were still growing at 70's and 80's pace then I would say yes if you widen 5 it will just get jammed again, but it looks like our County is just growing from child births. Temecula might have tons of people moving there but that traffic will obviously mostly fall on the 15.

How do these people expect transit to be implemented in to the low density sprawl areas of SD which are 90% of the metro? They all call for more transit but they also don't want density. With the job centers of our metro spread out over the whole County transit simply will never work here also the geography is a big factor. If 800,000 people worked in downtown then things would be a lot different but there is not one dominant condensed center of jobs here.

[bushman61988]

If the goal is to reduce congestion on the freeway, then that is most successfully achieved by investing in alternatives (Bus Rapid Transit, the Coaster, the Sprinter, Bike lanes). Studies have proven that simply expanding a freeway even if it's for HOV/Carpool lanes does not reduce congestion in the long run (http://www.vtpi.org/gentraf.pdf, http://bicycleuniverse.info/transpo/...-futility.html).

Freeway expansion has shown to not relieve traffic congestion in the long run, but only increase air pollution and greenhouse gases. A University of California at Berkeley study covering thirty California counties between 1973 and 1990 found that for every 10 percent increase in roadway capacity, traffic increased 9 percent with a four years’ time. The research shows that building more roads results in more driving. Adding a freeway lane does not lead to congestion relief because more drivers will rush to fill the space and traffic congestion will soon be at previous levels.

It's true, in order for transit to be successful, you need the density which certain communities like Bay Park oppose, but there's other communities along the Sprinter like San Marcos and Escondido that are embracing density and are building 4-6 story multi-family homes (Ginger Hitzke is a great example of one of those developers). Instead of focusing on expanding the freeways, why not invest that money to make the Sprinter more effective and encouraging ppl to use it?

Originally Posted by mello

So does this mean that the widening of the 5 will be delayed again? I am all for transit in the densely populated South of 8 neighborhoods but lets face it Coastal North County is not nearly dense enough for transit to work. The 5 does need to be widened and SD county's population is not growing fast enough for it to get clogged up again if it is 7 lanes each way.

If we were still growing at 70's and 80's pace then I would say yes if you widen 5 it will just get jammed again, but it looks like our County is just growing from child births. Temecula might have tons of people moving there but that traffic will obviously mostly fall on the 15.

How do these people expect transit to be implemented in to the low density sprawl areas of SD which are 90% of the metro? They all call for more transit but they also don't want density. With the job centers of our metro spread out over the whole County transit simply will never work here also the geography is a big factor. If 800,000 people worked in downtown then things would be a lot different but there is not one dominant condensed center of jobs here.

[mello]

Bushman: I have lived in San Marcos and I'm from Encinitas/Cardiff. I will tell you this, every single time I have been on 5 South stuck in traffic and then pass Via De La Valle the traffic flow starts to move. With out fail literally every time unless there is an accident obviously. Why is this? Because an extra lane is added south of VDLV. Lets be realistic how in the hell is Coastal North County ever going to become a place where transit will even become a remotely close alternative to car travel?

They are anti anything up there, density will never occur. San Diego would literally have to Quadruple or more the percentage of people who work downtown for this to ever happen, how many new office jobs have been created downtown in the last 15 years?

Plus look at the layout of San Diego. In LA or even Phoenix you have a flat linear row of employment centers. Downtown LA all the way down Wilshire to Santa Monica you have office towers. Look at Sorrento Valley and even UTC they are up on a hill completely disconnected from any street grid. To get from downtown to UTC and SV you have to take a freeway!

The way this metro area is laid out makes it extremely hard to properly implement transit. You have canyons, hills, escarpments, lagoons, and military bases chopping everything up. The only hope for the vast majority of SD County is self driving cars. I say widen the 5 and focus on transit in the areas where density is feasible like Mission Valley and La Mesa through Mission Hills and down through the South Bay along the 5.

[mello]

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[bushman61988]

Originally Posted by mello

Lets be realistic how in the hell is Coastal North County ever going to become a place where transit will even become a remotely close alternative to car travel?

By investing tens of millions more in adding more Class 1 bike lanes, converting one of the general purpose lanes or the left-hand emergency shoulder to HOV/Carpool/Transit, adding more hours/service to the bus routes and sprinter, and making the sprinter more cohesive with the Coaster in terms of schedule.

Originally Posted by mello

They are anti anything up there, density will never occur. San Diego would literally have to Quadruple or more the percentage of people who work downtown for this to ever happen, how many new office jobs have been created downtown in the last 15 years?

Density is occurring in San Marcos and areas along the Sprinter. Last year when I took the Sprinter I saw 3-4 different multi-family housing projects under construction. Check this one out:

Originally Posted by mello

The way this metro area is laid out makes it extremely hard to properly implement transit. You have canyons, hills, escarpments, lagoons, and military bases chopping everything up. The only hope for the vast majority of SD County is self driving cars. I say widen the 5 and focus on transit in the areas where density is feasible like Mission Valley and La Mesa through Mission Hills and down through the South Bay along the 5.

It's true, topography can pose a challenge to implementing transit, but that's why you focus on areas that are already close to transit and densify in areas like Mission Valley, National City, or Barrio Logan. And speaking of National City, look at these rowhomes in our downtown that are almost complete. They're for sale guys, and National City is a real up-and-coming community, especially with all the recent investments in our Downtown. (PS, the renderings of the surroundings are WAY off as this is a very urban, built-out neighborhood)