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Old Posted Jul 28, 2014, 6:01 PM
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^...Austin get ahead of growth lol?! ...that's not very Austin like.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2014, 8:14 PM
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I've seen a few PDFs floating around that I cannot find at the moment but it looks like the most likely proposal is a secondary concourse, part of the current terminal but to the South with an underground shuttle/walkway connecting the two portions.

Actually it might be from earlier in this thread. I'll see if I can hunt it down.

Edit: here's a PDF with the two approved concepts
The mini terminal seems like a lot easier for them to get planes in and out than the main terminal expansion but it seems cheaper to just expand what they have in the other plan. It would be really weird to go to the Austin airport and take a tram to another terminal.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2014, 8:59 PM
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The mini terminal seems like a lot easier for them to get planes in and out than the main terminal expansion but it seems cheaper to just expand what they have in the other plan. It would be really weird to go to the Austin airport and take a tram to another terminal.
Weird but coooool.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2014, 2:26 AM
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That timeline at the end of the PDF seems a bit slow, I had thought the Apron was already constructed not to long ago?
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Old Posted Aug 4, 2014, 5:14 PM
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2014, 12:17 AM
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ABIA has released the June numbers, shattering the record for March. Realistically I think we can expect anywhere between 10,500,000 and 10,700,000 for this year. It looks like 11,000,000 per year is the trigger for the next phase of planning, which I think is Planning Phase 2.

Also I found the PDF I was talking about earlier where the recommended new terminal is detailed including mention of the people-mover system. I think this'll be fleshed-out at Planning Phase 3 which I think is triggered at 15,000,000 ppy which I'd safely bet on happening before 2020 with the East Infill in progress and the gate expansions imminent.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2014, 2:41 AM
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Wow! British Airways available seats for June were 12,840. 30 round trips (60 total flights) with a seating capacity of 214 per flight - 12,840 seats. If they carried 11,595 passengers that's a load factor of 90%.

Looks like we had 21, 214 international passengers in June (both revenue and non-revenue) and 67,435 international passenger Y-T-D.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2014, 5:35 AM
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Also I found the PDF I was talking about earlier where the recommended new terminal is detailed including mention of the people-mover system. I think this'll be fleshed-out at Planning Phase 3 which I think is triggered at 15,000,000 ppy which I'd safely bet on happening before 2020 with the East Infill in progress and the gate expansions imminent.
Now that I see it, that's really interesting. This will require a lot of major improvements. Will it be like some airports where the highway to the airport has signed road divisions saying <- this side Terminal A and -> this side Terminal B? The particular layout of that area makes it not so easy, IMO.

Even more what I'm curious about is when are the runways the limiting factor? These plans indicate a lot of expansion while still only having two runways.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2014, 8:20 AM
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I wondered that too, although there will be a 3rd parallel runway eventually, it seems that two runways shouldn't be able to handle the kind of air traffic we are seeing now let alone 5 years from now. Even some smaller airports have 3 or 4 runways.
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Now that I see it, that's really interesting. This will require a lot of major improvements. Will it be like some airports where the highway to the airport has signed road divisions saying <- this side Terminal A and -> this side Terminal B? The particular layout of that area makes it not so easy, IMO.

Even more what I'm curious about is when are the runways the limiting factor? These plans indicate a lot of expansion while still only having two runways.
If you look at Page 7-8 it shows the ground transportation layout. There's going to be a branch off from Presidential Blvd that tunnels under the runway over to the second terminal and back in an anticlockwise direction as well as access from I guess Burleson Rd, and then with the interior connections of the airport terminals I'm really very happy with how easily accessible this looks like it'll become.

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I wondered that too, although there will be a 3rd parallel runway eventually, it seems that two runways shouldn't be able to handle the kind of air traffic we are seeing now let alone 5 years from now. Even some smaller airports have 3 or 4 runways.
There's some provision for adding a 3rd runway down the line, but I think the trigger point for planning is 18 million passengers per year, but I'm not 100%
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I need to find the link, but folks on flyertalk or one of the other frequent flyer travel boards were talking about the likelihood of BA upgauging their LHR-AUS service. One poster said that right now the Austin route has the highest average yield of any of their routes to North America. If that's true and we're that profitable, that's a great sign for expanded service by BA and maybe even other airlines.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2014, 5:26 PM
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Also the next runway to be built will be 17C/35C and it will be 9000'. It will be used for departures mainly while 17R/35L will handle the arrivals but that is a ways off from being built. With that being said I never imagined the explosion of new construction currently under way so it could be accelerated. Fyi the city council yesterday approved the spending of 18 million to design the terminal expansion with construction starting next year.
Looks like the only room is to position it between 17R/35L and the taxiways near the terminal, but I don't know what required clearances are. Does that sound about right?

After that, looks like we'll be out of room like a mini-Heathrow...
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I wondered that too, although there will be a 3rd parallel runway eventually, it seems that two runways shouldn't be able to handle the kind of air traffic we are seeing now let alone 5 years from now. Even some smaller airports have 3 or 4 runways.
LGW (London Gatwick) handled 35+ million passengers in 2013 and only has one runway. A second runway is in development along with terminal expansion.
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LGW (London Gatwick) handled 35+ million passengers in 2013 and only has one runway.

Must be all A380s

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Old Posted Aug 8, 2014, 5:55 PM
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Come to think of it (2013 PAX):

-PEK has 3 runways (83.7 million)
-LHR has 2 runways (72.4 million)
-DXB has 2 runways (66.4 million)
-HKG has 2 runways (59.6 million)
-SIN has 3 runways (53.7 million)
-CAN will have 3 runways (52.4 million)
-BKK has 2 runways (51.4 million)
-IST has 3 runways (51.2 million)
-KUL has 3 runways (47.5 million)

And that is just a list of airports ranked in the Top 20 (busiest airports by passenger count).
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2014, 7:56 PM
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Come to think of it (2013 PAX):

-PEK has 3 runways (83.7 million)
-LHR has 2 runways (72.4 million)
-DXB has 2 runways (66.4 million)
-HKG has 2 runways (59.6 million)
-SIN has 3 runways (53.7 million)
-CAN will have 3 runways (52.4 million)
-BKK has 2 runways (51.4 million)
-IST has 3 runways (51.2 million)
-KUL has 3 runways (47.5 million)

And that is just a list of airports ranked in the Top 20 (busiest airports by passenger count).
Very interesting, I did not know that. I guess 2 runways is enough. You learn something new every day. I was looking at OKC and SA's airports both of which have 3 and wondered why we didn't

Interesting about the connections from passengers coming in on BA especially considering both Houston and DFW are connecting hubs. Why would people be connecting through Austin?

And I had to bring this up but why In the world is Aeromar still flying here? I mean seriously their numbers are literally droping each month. 641 in May down to
523 in June. How much lower can they go before they decide it's just not worth it? It's obviously not performing well at all. Earlier this year it was in the 2,000 range and even then I mentioned how large of a gap there was between them and the next lowest airline. I did not expect them to plummet this far down.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2014, 8:11 PM
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2014, 8:28 PM
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Even if Austin had three runways, one of them would be too close to another for using them simultaneously. I believe you need at least 4300 feet between runways (center line to center line) to do so.
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Anyone know if there are differences between FAA and other NAAs/ICAO that might allow heavier runway usage outside of the US?
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