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Old Posted Jul 11, 2019, 4:48 PM
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Lyft signals capital commitment with new driver support hub in Ottawa

By: Craig Lord, OBJ
Published: Jul 9, 2019 1:50pm EDT




Ride-sharing app Lyft is doubling down on Ottawa with a lease for a community hub, the tech giant’s first such space in Canada.

The space at 2222 Carling Ave. will act mainly as a support hub for the company’s drivers in the region. Drivers who need help navigating the onboarding process or assistance overcoming other roadblocks in the application can drop by the hub for support from Lyft’s local team, which currently sits at three full-time employees.

The site will have other tangential benefits, says Lyft’s Ottawa market manager, Rob Woodbridge. For one, it’s a logical place to put a lost-and-found for collecting items left behind in drivers’ vehicles.

“Where do you put that in a virtual company?” asks Woodbridge. “Here's the best opportunity to get that stuff back to people.”

The new hub comes more than a year after Lyft announced its expansion to Ottawa to compete with fellow ride-sharing app Uber and established taxi companies in the local transportation market. The San Francisco-based company, which went public earlier this year, tapped tech veteran and Ottawa native Woodbridge to lead its local operations.

Lyft operates more than 50 other hubs and service desks across major cities in the United States, but Woodbridge says this lease in Ottawa – the firm’s first permanent community hub in Canada – represents the company’s commitment to the capital.

Ottawa’s size, in addition to a few other factors, makes it a strategic landing point for Lyft. Woodbridge mentions the city’s sizeable tech sector and federal government presence as a couple points in the city’s favour, but notes that Ottawa’s recent population milestone of one million residents makes it an ideal mid-size metropolis to flesh out Lyft’s market strategy.

“We would love to make Ottawa the playbook for future expansion into other cities,” Woodbridge says.

Putting down a dedicated presence for the company’s drivers in Ottawa is part of Lyft’s wider community approach, Woodbridge adds. When the company landed in Ottawa, its first major partnership was with the Children’s Hospital of Eastern Ontario. The company added an option to round up fares to the nearest dollar with extra proceeds going to CHEO.

Initiatives like these help Lyft stand out from the field in the increasingly crowded transportation market, Woodbridge argues.

“It's one of the key differentiators, amongst other things that we're doing in the city, that pushes Lyft in a different light.”

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No overhaul: City asked to rethink several parts of young bylaw regulating taxis, Uber, Lyft

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: August 26, 2019


The City of Ottawa is open to making minor changes to the bylaw that governs ride-ordering services but it’s not interested in a complete overhaul of the three-year-old regulations.

The city is reviewing several of its bylaws as part of a regular process to make sure the municipal regulations are up to date. The 2016 vehicle-for-hire bylaw, which established rules for taxis and private transportation companies (like Uber and Lyft), was particularly controversial for cabbies and the taxi industry since the requirements differed between the two types of businesses.

The taxi industry has never stopped pressing city hall to address their concerns since council in April 2016 approved the dual-licensing bylaw, which came into force on Sept. 30, 2016.

A bylaw review report by the city’s emergency and protective services department, published ahead of a scheduled community and protective services committee meeting on Thursday, includes a list of nearly two dozen requests and comments the city has received about the vehicle-for-hire bylaw.

The report doesn’t identify which group — the Coventry Connections taxi company, the city’s taxi union or city council members — made the request in each instance, but the local Unifor taxi union is identified as the requester in about a dozen of the pitches.

Taxi union president Ali Enad said the union had a voice in all of the requests.

The most significant request, and one that was rejected by the city, was reducing cabbies’ commercial general liability insurance requirement from the current $5 million per occurrence to $2 million per occurrence. The city hiked the requirement to $5 million in the 2016 bylaw based on what it was seeing in monetary awards by the courts. Cabbies also must have $2 million in automobile liability insurance.

Private transportation companies must carry the $5-million commercial insurance. Their individual drivers, however, must have $2 million in automobile liability insurance and an insurance endorsement to carry paying passengers.

Enad said it’s not fair that individual cabbies are required to carry more insurance than competitors.

“I’m disappointed we are required to have something (private transportation companies) are escaping from,” Enad said Monday.

Enad said another priority is getting help for drivers of accessible taxis. The vehicles cost more to operate and maintain and there’s a decrease in business from non-accessible fares because of the entry of private transportation companies, he said. The union has asked the city to consider using an accessibility fund to help offset the cabbies’ costs for running accessible taxis.

The taxi union has also asked the city to relax the rules for the minimum age of cabs entering taxi services and allow cabbies to hike the fares during high-demand times when a ride is ordered with a taxi app. The city, so far, has said no to both ideas.

“Staff’s overall assessment of the bylaw continues to be that the regulatory model approved in 2016 for taxis, private transportation companies and limousines is meeting council’s goals,” the city’s report says.

However, city staff aren’t completely shutting the door on some of the ideas they consider minor.

For example, staff are willing to reconsider the number of taxi inspections required under the bylaw. Older vehicles require two annual inspections, but the city is open to reducing the number to one annual inspection for all taxis.

Staff will also mull a request to knock down the fee for transferring taxi plates. The cost is $4,033, which the city says covers the administration required for the transfers, but the taxi industry pitched reducing the price to $500.

The taxi union wants the city to allow cabbies to force prepayment of fares to cut down on the number of times customers skip out on paying. Staff say they’ll look into the idea. According to the city, it receives about 500 reports annually of customers dodging payment for taxis.

The city will also consider the union’s request to increase the necessary cleaning of a taxi to $150 — the current charge under the bylaw is $50 — and apply a $10 surcharge for placing luggage and bulky items in a cab.

The taxi union has asked the city to require private transportation drivers to tell customers they might be recorded if those drivers are using in-car cameras. The city says it would review the request.

If there are any minor amendments recommended by staff, they won’t be sent to council for approval until 2021.

Enad said he expects some changes to the bylaw will happen much sooner.

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Taxi and union bigwigs aligned on new meters allowing Uber-like pricing scheme

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: August 28, 2019


Ottawa’s taxi industry this week could take a big step in competing against international companies that have swallowed a massive chunk of the local ride-ordering market.

The top bosses of the city’s largest cab company and the drivers’ union have reached an understanding that new a meter technology should be installed in cabs to allow discounts for rides booked through an app.

That’s essentially the way Uber and Lyft work, but ever since those companies became street legal in Ottawa three years ago, the taxi industry has struggled to find a way to implement a similar ride-ordering system that would also adjust fares based on the demand for service.

Marc Andre Way, president and CEO of Coventry Connections, said a meter has been identified and the company is willing to pay for the up-front cost of buying the devices, with the drivers paying back the cost over a period of time. Each Centrodyne meter costs $381, he said.

“We want the industry to develop and get better,” Way said Tuesday. “These are the tools we need.”

Coventry dispatches Blue Line, Capital and West-Way taxis.

A taxi union membership meeting was scheduled for Tuesday evening when a vote was expected to happen on the idea of adopting the new meter technology. The Unifor local taxi union represents 1,250 taxi drivers.

Taxi union president Ali Enad said drivers are generally supportive of using a new meter technology to attract more business. The only concern for some drivers is the cost of the meters, he said.

“The most important thing is the technological solution that we have, and the union and the company agree it’s time to move forward with this innovation,” Enad said. “We don’t want to be left behind.”

Coventry and the drivers’ union have been trying to reach common ground on implementing a discount system for app-based ride orders. If the taxi industry can reduce its fares during low-demand periods, it could have a better shot at competing against private transportation companies whose business models have at their cores supply-and-demand pricing.

It was largely an issue of trust between Coventry and the union. In some driver circles, there had been worries that implementing a new data-connected meter could result in the company accessing and altering the meter.

“The problem in Ottawa is there’s these boogeymen that keep creating these stories and drivers keep getting spooked,” Way said. “There are some members who don’t want things to change. We’re ready.”

Enad doesn’t agree with the notion that drivers haven’t been willing to adapt.

“I think the union and drivers are not an obstacle along the way,” Enad said. “We have the same goal. We’re looking for the same thing.”

Enad added that a large number of customers’ taxi transactions are done with payment cards or chits rather than cash, so embracing a meter with better data-transfer technology makes sense.

The vehicle-for-hire bylaw allows taxis to have flexible pricing under a maximum fare, but the bylaw needs to acknowledge other types of meters.

Coun. Eli El-Chantiry on Thursday is planning to bring a motion to the community and protective services committee that, if approved, would set the table for the taxi industry to adopt flexible pricing.

Under the proposal, the city would let taxis use “alternative technologies” for taxi meters to allow flexible pricing when rides are booked through an app.

El-Chantiry, who for years has been trying to help the taxi industry liaise with city hall, said Coventry and the union need to form a united front against their common foes in the marketplace rather than fighting each other.

“You have a bigger threat to survive,” El-Chantiry said. “Why wouldn’t you reach out and achieve your goal?”

El-Chantiry said the city is prepared to give the taxi industry the legislative tool it needs — acknowledging new meter technology in the bylaw — and it’s up to the company and drivers to work out.

The taxi industry has been pushing back against the vehicle-for-hire bylaw ever since city council established the new dual-licensing system in 2016.

Way is a representative plaintiff in a $215-million class-action lawsuit against the City of Ottawa over the new bylaw.

As for the state of Ottawa’s taxi industry, there are signs business is doing a bit better.

Way said customers have been returning to taxis and he credited drivers for improving their vehicles and providing professional service.

The nightlife business is returning as people choose taxis to get home, he said. Private transportation companies’ “surge” or “prime time” prices are higher when there’s increased demand, but taxi fares have legislated maximums.

Business from the federal public service is still strong, Way said.

According to Way, the federal government wants an electronic payment system for taxi expenses. Both Way and Enad acknowledged that any move by the feds to require better electronic payments makes adopting a new meter critical for the Ottawa taxi industry.

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New meters to give taxi drivers leeway to lower fares
Technology upgrade to be in place by Christmas, cab company says

Kate Porter · CBC News
Posted: Aug 29, 2019 4:12 PM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago


Taxi passengers in Ottawa will soon be able to pay through a smartphone app and take advantage of special discounts like those offered by Uber or Lyft, the city's largest cab company says.

Coventry Connections, which runs Blueline, Capital and Westway, says it wants to start offering the tablet-based technology in time for the holiday party season, but has been held back by city regulations that require old-fashioned wired meters on the dashboard.

On Thursday, the city's community and protective services committee decided to update the definition of a taxi meter to bring them more in line with those used by popular ride-hailing companies. City council is expected to OK the new definition on Sept. 11.

Coventry Connections CEO Marc André Way said the new technology will allow the traditional cab industry to attract more corporate business.

"What it gives us is the opportunity now to go after companies like Shopify, hospitals, the Government of Canada, and modernize the way that we were charging for taxis where someone had to walk around with a coupon of chits," Way said.

The "soft meters," which each cost $381, will also allow drivers to offer specials to attract new customers. Unlike Uber and Lyft drivers, however, cabbies won't be allowed to take advantage of "surge pricing" during peak times, in line with city regulations.

Councillors who were closely involved in the vehicle-for-hire bylaw that passed amid great controversy in 2016 say the intention was always to level the playing field between the traditional taxi industry and its ride-hailing competitors.

But some taxi drivers are wary of the change, fearing the technology will give Coventry too much control over their meters — and their livelihoods.

"The company has no business knowing what I'm doing or what I'm picking up at all times," taxi driver Walid Skaff told councillors Thursday.

"You want to shut me off and have control over my life and total monopoly over the city? This is not something I take very lightly."

Way dismissed that concern, saying Coventry is bound by collective agreements and could never turn off a driver's meter.

"That's not something we could do," Way said.

Unionized Blueline Taxi drivers even voted against the new meters earlier this week, but union leadership has been onside and Way said the collective agreement allows the company to move to the new fare meters.

The community and protective services committee also decided Thursday to increase the fine a rider must pay for soiling a cab from $50 to $150. Also, all taxis will now undergo a single annual inspection, regardless of their age.

Coun. Matt Luloff has also asked staff to look into why accessible taxis are often unavailable for residents who need them.

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Supreme Court of Canada could open door to class-action lawsuit against Uber
Uber argues arbitration — not the courts — is the right way to solve disputes with drivers

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Posted: Jun 26, 2020 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago


Canada's highest court will issue a ruling this morning in a case involving the ride-sharing service Uber that could have broad implications for the gig economy and labour rights in Canada.

The Supreme Court of Canada's decision will determine whether a proposed $400 million class-action lawsuit launched by Ontario Uber drivers can move ahead.

Uber is challenging an Ontario Court of Appeal decision that found the company's contract clause, which relies on a costly arbitration process in the Netherlands to settle disputes, was "unconscionable" and "unenforceable."

The lower court ruling came after David Heller, a driver for UberEATS, attempted to launch a class-action lawsuit in 2017 to force the company to recognize its drivers as employees rather than independent contractors.

Heller, who no longer works for Uber, started legal action after he received a message on his cell phone asking him to accept changes to the way he is compensated.

His lawyer, Lior Samfiru, said Heller agreed because he was out on a delivery in Toronto at the time — and wouldn't have been paid if he had declined.

"If the court agrees with Uber, then every company can have its workers sign a document that says the same thing," Samfiru said.

"That would mean that companies can do whatever they want with impunity."

Uber won a stay of the proposed class action before Ontario Superior Court because of a clause in the contract that requires all disputes between drivers and the company to go through a mediation process in the Netherlands — at a personal cost of $14,500 US for drivers.

"Practically no one will do that," Samfiru said.

Heller, who had been licensed to use the Uber Driver App since February 2016 in Toronto, earned between $20,800 and $31,200 per year before taxes and expenses.

In November 2018, Ontario's highest court ruled Uber's clause amounts to illegally outsourcing an employment standard.

Uber's maintains that arbitration, not the courts, is the right forum for deciding the validity of an arbitration agreement.

The proposed class-action lawsuit, which has not yet been certified, aims to provide a minimum wage, vacation pay and other protections under Ontario's Employment Standards Act to anyone who works for Uber or has worked for the company in Ontario since 2012.

If the highest court rules in his favour, Samfiru said it would open up a discussion about whether people in the gig economy are employees.

"We cannot have a system where companies can do whatever they want, whenever they want, without any repercussions," Samfiru said.

"The only way that we can even balance that inequality somehow is by giving individuals access to tribunals, like the labour relations board, or to our courts across the country."

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New ride-share, Facedrive, offers 'eco-friendly' choice

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Publishing date: Jul 01, 2020 • Last Updated 1 hour ago • 1 minute read


Ride-sharing customers in the Ottawa area have a new option as Toronto-based Facedrive began service in the capital on Canada Day.

The company — which now operates chiefly in the Golden Horseshoe area around Toronto — differentiates itself by offering an “eco-friendly and socially responsible” network.

“Bringing our (environmental, social and governance) strategy to life in the city will provide Ottawans with a sustainable alternative,” company chief operating officer Suman Pushparajah said in a news release.

The company said clients can order a ride in an electric, hybrid or gas-powered vehicle.

The company says it does not use surge pricing, and says drivers earn up to 90 per cent of the fare, based on their vehicle type, and all of their tips.

The company says an unspecified portion of every fare will be contributed to carbon offset initiatives, through partnerships with organizations like Forest Ontario.

The Facedrive app is available on Google Play and at the App Store.

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Good to have another, greener, fairer for drivers option (not that I ever used ride-sharing).
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Unlike for traditional taxi companies, the city allows ride sharing companies like Uber & Lyft to pay their way out of providing accessible service to Ottawa residents via an ‘accessibility surcharge’. 1/8
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This paltry sum was established as 7-cents per ride in 2016, which paled in comparison to other jurisdictions. These companies should be subject to the same accessibility requirements as traditional taxis in Ottawa. 2/8
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If the city is going to continue accepting this surcharge in lieu of accessible service, I believe that PTCs should be contributing far more. That’s why I supported a motion in 2019 to negotiate a higher amount. 3/8
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Two years later, this item has returned to committee & the rate was negotiated to be only 3-cents higher (2-cents after inflation) for a total of 10-cents. Our own city-solicited report from KPMG on this subject in 2016 advised asking for 30-cents in 2016. 4/8
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Since 2016, research has shown that these companies, left unregulated, are worsening congestion, causing an uptick in traffic accidents, amplifying the effects of climate change and weakening our transit ridership. 5/8
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It's also shown that they're putting accessible taxi services at risk, exposing drivers to increasing economic insecurity and unsafe working conditions, and subjecting consumers to a less regulated, less safe and ultimately undesirable oligopolistic market for taxis. 6/8
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Taxi fares to increase in Ottawa for 1st time in more than a decade
Drivers describe difficulties of an industry changed by the pandemic

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Posted: May 19, 2022 3:32 PM ET | Last Updated: May 19


A City of Ottawa committee has agreed to a pair of requests by the struggling taxi industry that would raise meter rates by 10 per cent — the first change in Ottawa since 2010 — while lowering the level of insurance coverage required of drivers.

The largest taxi company in the city, Coventry Connections, and the taxi union, Unifor Local 1688, sent a joint letter to the city's director of regulatory services in February. They described how gas and insurance costs have climbed in the past decade and how fare revenues needed to rise, too, if they are to continue operating.

A few drivers spoke to the community and protective services committee Thursday about how the industry has suffered during the pandemic, as people stayed home and federal workers didn't use taxis between buildings.

Where many drivers used to share a vehicle over multiple shifts, now one driver might pick up rides for a single shift. Others pointed out many drivers who have returned since the pandemic are over the age of 65 and they're not sure who will replace them when they leave the business.

"Now, it's very, very, very difficult to operate a taxi cab," said Unifor Local 1688 president Amrik Singh, who said it's become hard for drivers to earn a living.

The committee agreed to a maximum taxi fare of $3.80 for the first 150 metres, and 18 cents for each additional 86 metres of travel. Those new prices will take effect June 11, if they are approved by full city council next week.

The taxi union had also described how hard it was to get commercial general liability insurance of $5 million, which the city has required since it made major regulatory changes in 2016.

Staff recommended lowering that coverage to $2 million on Nov. 1, 2022 for all taxis, plus limousine and private transportation businesses, such as Uber and Lyft. That was the amount previously required, and is more in keeping with what other cities require, staff said.

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Taxi industry's $215M lawsuit against city finally about to be heard
Filed in 2016, lawsuit claims city failed to protect taxi drivers when Uber came to town

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Posted: Dec 30, 2022 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: December 30


More than six years after filing a $215-million class-action lawsuit against the City of Ottawa, the local taxi industry will soon have its day in court.

The parent company of Capital Taxi claims the city did not take reasonable steps to protect taxi plate owners when it allowed Uber to operate in September 2016.

The case will finally go to court Jan. 3 and should last at least seven weeks.

Jihad Alkadri has driven a Blueline taxi in Ottawa for 35 years. He says when ride-hailing companies like Uber took to the roads, it put many taxi drivers out of work.

"We couldn't make a living anymore," he said. "The city did not stop Uber from operating. They operated for two years illegally. No license, nothing."

Alkadri said that most days he's working 12 hours to make ends meet, something he didn't have to do even five years ago.

"I have to bring at least $250 a day just don't break even or to make a living out there," Alkadri said.

With costly insurance fees, car repairs, and soaring gas prices, the job isn't what it used to be. Adding to all of that, Alkadri says the Uber takeover rendered taxi licenses essentially worthless.

"Prior to 2014, taxi plate licences were selling at $340,000. People mortgaged their homes to buy one of those licenses because it was just buying a job, basically," he said.

"Right now, I'm sorry to say it's $7,000. Probably even less."

That's all tied in to one of the claims the suit is bringing forward, in that drivers have experienced a significant financial loss since Uber was given the green light.

Drivers invested in the system based on the regulations that existed before Uber, said Abdalla Barqawi, one of the lawyers representing the industry against the city.

That system was, in a way, their safety net, he said. But when the city passed the bylaw, it changed the landscape by allowing a free-for-all market for everyone who wants to drive.

"They have paid upwards of $300,000 for those plates," Barqawi said. "And then literally in a snap of a finger, that was all gone."

There's no limit to the number of Uber drivers that can operate, whereas the taxi industry is heavily regulated by the city, which only permits a limited number of plates on the road.

That restriction was designed to guarantee that taxi drivers and owners can make a decent living, but Barqawi said the playing field is now uneven.

"It's a combination of loss of plate value, loss of work because of other participants coming into the industry, combined with heavy regulations that still exist for the taxis that don't necessarily exist for other companies like Uber," Barqawi said.

In an email, City of Ottawa solicitor David White said they would not be commenting on the lawsuit as it's still before the courts.

The city's initial statement of defence argued that it had no responsibility to protect the taxi industry from any financial losses that might have arisen from the regulatory changes.

What's more, buying and selling taxi plates "created a speculative and artificial secondary market" that the city had nothing to do with other than register the plate transfer, according to the statement.

A similar lawsuit brought forward against the city by the union representing licensed taxi drivers in Ottawa was dismissed in 2018. Barqawi says while this suit does cover similar territory, it also includes a discrimination claim.

"The taxi industry for decades has been predominantly run — and all these plates have been mostly owned — by people who immigrated to Canada, racialized people and visible minorities," Barqawi said.

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I get it. The whole taxi industry has always been mismanaged. The City should have kept control of the plates and leased them out instead of selling them outright (Provincial regulation, I'm sure). By introducing Uber and others, we essentially made the plates worthless by allowing an infinite number of new "taxis". Overall a terrible move from the City. Sure, it's these "ride-share" services are convenient for the masses, but it's not right to allow them to come in a destroy a highly regulated industry.
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I get it. The whole taxi industry has always been mismanaged. The City should have kept control of the plates and leased them out instead of selling them outright (Provincial regulation, I'm sure). By introducing Uber and others, we essentially made the plates worthless by allowing an infinite number of new "taxis". Overall a terrible move from the City. Sure, it's these "ride-share" services are convenient for the masses, but it's not right to allow them to come in a destroy a highly regulated industry.
Like Dairy, Egg, and Lobster quotas they government didn't sell these they were sold on a secondary market. They were a license to print money. I had professional 20 something sons of Airport plate owners tell me how lucrative driving was. Of course they will fight any attempt to lose this. Politically or with violence. In the taxi market it seems violence was the only successful tactic.
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I get it. The whole taxi industry has always been mismanaged. The City should have kept control of the plates and leased them out instead of selling them outright (Provincial regulation, I'm sure). By introducing Uber and others, we essentially made the plates worthless by allowing an infinite number of new "taxis". Overall a terrible move from the City. Sure, it's these "ride-share" services are convenient for the masses, but it's not right to allow them to come in a destroy a highly regulated industry.
The city should have just sold as many plates as there was demand for instead of highly and unnecessarily restricting supply.

The cities highly restrictive and heavy regulations are what allowed these sharing services to ever get started and take hold. It allowed the market to be monopolized by a few large players that never had to really compete and are now throwing a hissy fit because there speculative investment became worthless.

This unnecessary supply restrictions on alot of things just needs to end. It's choice to allow ride sharing was the correct one with how the market was setup.
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The city should have just sold as many plates as there was demand for instead of highly and unnecessarily restricting supply.

The cities highly restrictive and heavy regulations are what allowed these sharing services to ever get started and take hold. It allowed the market to be monopolized by a few large players that never had to really compete and are now throwing a hissy fit because there speculative investment became worthless.

This unnecessary supply restrictions on alot of things just needs to end. It's choice to allow ride sharing was the correct one with how the market was setup.
Haven't we replaced a 'few large players' with a few global players? I not sure really what the difference is.

Overall, considering surge pricing, is the user really saving money? Or is this just about technological convenience for a certain sector of the population?

The big loser are the gig workers who receive poverty wages. This of course is controlled by the 'few global players'.
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2023, 11:06 PM
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Haven't we replaced a 'few large players' with a few global players? I not sure really what the difference is.

Overall, considering surge pricing, is the user really saving money? Or is this just about technological convenience for a certain sector of the population?

The big loser are the gig workers who receive poverty wages. This of course is controlled by the 'few global players'.
Well the old player is still around so at a minimum its now them and two new entrants, and last I checked the city didn't really open up the licensing to apply for greater competition in that front.

When they entered the market yes, Uber was significantly cheaper even on average with surge. As for tech convenience, that sounds like a good thing to me and something that would have arrived sooner if taxis had to compete. The second they did, guess what, they created there own apps which work pretty well all things said.

There were "gig worker/low wage workers" in the taxi industry before uber/lyft arrived.

Not saying I agree with all of it this but it has its point:

https://hayward.peirce.me/changing-t...taxi-monopoly/
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Well the old player is still around so at a minimum its now them and two new entrants, and last I checked the city didn't really open up the licensing to apply for greater competition in that front.

When they entered the market yes, Uber was significantly cheaper even on average with surge. As for tech convenience, that sounds like a good thing to me and something that would have arrived sooner if taxis had to compete. The second they did, guess what, they created there own apps which work pretty well all things said.

There were "gig worker/low wage workers" in the taxi industry before uber/lyft arrived.

Not saying I agree with all of it this but it has its point:

https://hayward.peirce.me/changing-t...taxi-monopoly/
Plate owners were doing well but otherwise it was minimum wage plus tips for those driving as a salary.

Uber was cheap because their investors were subsidizing us. Great reverse transfer of wealth.
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Taxi trial: City accused of 'weak' response to Uber's arrival, while defence says city couldn't stop the company from operating

Taylor Blewett, Ottawa Citizen
Published Jan 05, 2023 • 5 minute read


Superior Court Justice Marc Smith was presented with two duelling narratives on Wednesday about the City of Ottawa’s response to the 2014 arrival of Uber on its streets, challenging the monopoly of the taxi industry that had been regulated and protected for years by the city.

As portrayed in the opening statement by plaintiff counsel Thomas Conway, representing taxi plate holders and brokers in their $215-million class action lawsuit against the city, the municipal reaction to Uber’s arrival was “chaotic and unplanned” — despite the fact that they could anticipate the company would be coming to Ottawa — and enforcement efforts were “weak and ineffective,” even compared to other jurisdictions.

It marked the beginning of a breach of a “social contract” between the city and those it had licensed to dispatch cabs and to hold a limited number of taxi plates, Conway contended, leaving them with devalued plates and challenged income from fares.

They were further harmed, according to their lawyer, when the city passed a new bylaw in 2016 allowing private transportation companies such as Uber to operate legally, following intense lobbying. It gave the company advantages over traditional cabs, while significantly impacting those now suing the city — the vast majority of whom are members of marginalized and disadvantaged groups, said Conway.

“Effectively the city for decades told racialized individuals: ‘Please, invest in this system. Pay into it by purchasing plates, even if that means you have to borrow money. We will enforce the bylaw to protect the system that we created.’

“But after plate owners invested in the system so that they and their families could have a better future, the city decided to change the regulatory regime, and the fundamental premise upon which it was based. The effect … has been devastating,'” said Conway, part of the plaintiffs’ Conway Baxter Wilson LLP legal team.

Among the issues that Smith, the trial judge, will consider over the next seven weeks are whether the city was negligent in its enforcement of the existing taxi bylaw when Uber came to town and whether the new bylaw regulating private transportation companies breached the rights of the taxi operators now suing the city, under the Charter or Ontario Human Rights Code.

Defence counsel Todd Burke, one of the lawyers with Gowling WLG representing the city at trial, rejected both the allegations of negligence and discrimination.

The evidence will show the city acted responsibly in responding to Uber when it begin operating in Ottawa, he said, and that it was ultimately unable to prevent it from continuing doing so. Other cities experienced the same.

“In many respects, Uber was intent on operating no matter the regulatory resistance it faced.”

After widespread consultation that included the taxi industry — and lobbying by that industry as well as by Uber — Burke said the bylaw the city adopted through council in 2016 ultimately balanced “the interests of the taxi industry, with the progressive use of technology and the accompanying promise of cost-effective, safe transportation services for Ottawa’s citizens.”

During the review that led up the the bylaw’s adoption, Burke said the city learned via consultation that Uber was, in general, “considerably more popular amongst consumers than taxis” and that “consumers in Ottawa wanted Uber on the basis that it was more convenient, offered better customer service, was less expensive, and many riders found it to be safer.”

He also noted that the entrance of private transportation companies into the vehicle-for-hire market likely offered a benefit to taxi drivers who don’t have their own plates, such as more power to negotiate leasing a plate at a lower rate and additional job options. These drivers share many of the demographic characteristics of those suing the city, Burke said, as do Uber drivers.

He closed with a prediction that the judge would conclude, after hearing the evidence, that the case should be dismissed.

“The present challenge by plate owners is an effort to thwart the progress that (private transportation company) technology brings, and to protect their economic interests in preserving the historical monopoly that was enjoyed by the taxi industry for many years,” Burke argued.

Conway, meanwhile, said that what’s being disputed at the trial is whether the city, after creating and maintaining a regulatory system that it’s described as one of “supply management,” and permitting ⁠— if not encouraging ⁠— investment of capital by plate holders and brokers in the taxi industry, “the city can now absolve itself of any responsibility to those it regulated by simply and effectively writing itself out of the script.”

Over the trial’s seven weeks, Conway said the court will hear from plate holders whose livelihoods were “decimated,” and expert witnesses speaking to the systemic disadvantages they face as well as the damages they’ve suffered, including an assessment of the loss of plate value.

According to an expert the plaintiffs plan to rely on ⁠— whose findings Burke said the defence will be challenging ⁠— the loss of value for the plaintiff class’s taxi plates after 2014 is in the range of roughly $137,000 to $150,000 per plate, while damages for plaintiffs who are brokers have been assessed at $4.78 million to $6.35 million apiece. When Uber hit the streets of Ottawa in the fall of 2014 there were four of these brokers, or taxi dispatch companies, and approximately 768 plate holders, with 1,188 plates between them.

Burke noted that a number of witnesses from city hall will testify, including about the size, complexity and challenges involved in the city’s enforcement activities against Uber drivers, and why the city didn’t pursue an injunction against the company.

The city issued 273 charges under the Provincial Offences Act against individual Uber drivers between 2014 and 2016, resulting in 156 convictions, said Burke.

The first witness to take the stand was Marc André Way, one of the lawsuit’s lead plaintiffs and the CEO of taxi company Coventry Connections. His testimony began Wednesday afternoon, and was expected to last several days.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...from-operating
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2023, 1:39 PM
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Uber was cheap because their investors were subsidizing us.
This is the important piece that so many people miss when comparing Ubers to taxis. Those original prices were loss leaders to get people hooked on the convenience and make opening the Uber the default in the mind of the user.
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2023, 4:47 AM
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I would like the taxi industry to get together and offer an integrated service like Uber. Give me one app for Canada. If not the whole country, than at least the province or at least all of Eastern Ontario. Rating systems, fare estimates, payments inside the app, full identity of vehicle and driver, all inside the app. They do that and they'll be able to compete with Uber.
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