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Old Posted Sep 13, 2018, 5:37 PM
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^ How does it work? I imagine it holds a large volume of water after a storm and allows such water to discharge into the city's sewer line at a controlled rate? Just my novice guess here...

Obviously out in the suburbs they force new subdivisions to create their own "ponds" for stormwater runoff, but that's not possible in the city, so I have always wondered how they handle this in urban environments
Yeah I think in this configuration that's what it does.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2018, 5:43 PM
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My understanding is that the largest reservoir still isn't fully online, and won't be until sometime in the mid 2020s. The 10 billion gallon McCook reservoir went online last year and can currently hold only one third of its total capacity. In total, TARP currently has a 10 billion gallon capacity, and will have another 7 billion (for a total of 17 billion) by next decade.

It's already saved billions in flooding costs since the Thornton reservoir went online in the mid 2000's. My parent's basement in near west suburban Riverside used to flood almost every year or two, almost like clockwork. It hasn't flooded since 2006, when the first reservoir opened.

Climate change will obviously put additional stress on the system, as it will for every other city in the world; that notwithstanding it's performing admirably given the current climatic conditions, even while operating at only 60% of its future capacity.

I fully agree that the city needs to more aggressively pursue any other flood mitigating tool it can wield as well. Permeable allies and parking lots should be a requirement for any and all development going forward immediately.
McCook phase 2 isn't scheduled to come online until 2029 unfortunately. I think that TARP, as beneficial as it is proving, is undersized to meet the challenge of climate change that seems to be brining more intense rain events. Especially the mainstream portion of the system that has such a large developed area to contend with.
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My understanding is that the largest reservoir still isn't fully online, and won't be until sometime in the mid 2020s. The 10 billion gallon McCook reservoir went online last year and can currently hold only one third of its total capacity. In total, TARP currently has a 10 billion gallon capacity, and will have another 7 billion (for a total of 17 billion) by next decade.

It's already saved billions in flooding costs since the Thornton reservoir went online in the mid 2000's. My parent's basement in near west suburban Riverside used to flood almost every year or two, almost like clockwork. It hasn't flooded since 2006, when the first reservoir opened.

Climate change will obviously put additional stress on the system, as it will for every other city in the world; that notwithstanding it's performing admirably given the current climatic conditions, even while operating at only 60% of its future capacity.

I fully agree that the city needs to more aggressively pursue any other flood mitigating tool it can wield as well. Permeable allies and parking lots should be a requirement for any and all development going forward immediately.
Woah! Careful there!

Also, how will climate change add additional stress to flood prevention infrastructure in all the cities in the world that will experience less rainfall as a result?
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2018, 10:37 PM
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Woah! Careful there!
Any reason you are against that? I see no problem with replacing toxic asphalt with brick pavers. They are more attractive and better for the environment well beyond simply water drainage issues.

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Also, how will climate change add additional stress to flood prevention infrastructure in all the cities in the world that will experience less rainfall as a result?
With a warmer atmosphere that will be able to hold much more water vapor and be all the more unpredictable, even cities forecast to become drier in the future are still predicted to get bigger and stronger rainfalls, situations where the majority of their annual precipitation might come in just a handful of powerful storms. Flooding will become a bigger problem globally, regardless of the local climate becoming more arid.

Climatology isn't an exact science, so we really don't know how long term climate effects could potentially turn out. Let's hope we make enough changes now to not find out the hard way.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2018, 11:45 PM
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Here's a rendering of the new Rush facility, which I haven't seen yet.


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Old Posted Sep 14, 2018, 1:18 AM
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My understanding is that the largest reservoir still isn't fully online, and won't be until sometime in the mid 2020s. The 10 billion gallon McCook reservoir went online last year and can currently hold only one third of its total capacity. In total, TARP currently has a 10 billion gallon capacity, and will have another 7 billion (for a total of 17 billion) by next decade.

It's already saved billions in flooding costs since the Thornton reservoir went online in the mid 2000's. My parent's basement in near west suburban Riverside used to flood almost every year or two, almost like clockwork. It hasn't flooded since 2006, when the first reservoir opened.

Climate change will obviously put additional stress on the system, as it will for every other city in the world; that notwithstanding it's performing admirably given the current climatic conditions, even while operating at only 60% of its future capacity.

I fully agree that the city needs to more aggressively pursue any other flood mitigating tool it can wield as well. Permeable allies and parking lots should be a requirement for any and all development going forward immediately.
The Deep tunnel system, while an admirable attempt to control flooding, was never really going to be the long lasting solution to flood control. We can't keep creating more deep tunnels and reservoirs. They are simply too expensive, and take way too long to create. If anything, the Deep Tunnel simply avoided the problem until later. Eventually, the city, and the surrounding suburbs will have to make decisions that won't be crafted from a Civil Engineer's daydream.

Your parent's basement will flood again, it's just a matter of time. A possible solution to this, (and to your parents flooding) is to get rid of the traditional front yard. I think that every front yard in the city should have at least some sort of native plantings in order to absorb rainwater. That, is a solution that is long lasting, cheaper, and better for the environment.

I realize you said we do need to speed up permeability, but I don't think new projects will fix this alone. Every street, every sidewalk, and parking lot should be permeable. It may sound drastic, but even now we can't dare rely on the deep tunnel system. A reliance on the deep tunnel system would simply give us a false sense of security.
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The city needs to make sure trees that have died in the parkway are replaced ASAP. Trees that love water like the Pin Oak and Red Maple should be selected.
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Here's a rendering of the new Rush facility, which I haven't seen yet.


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This will be a nice project to replace a parking lot just east of Rush's main hospital (I think) thus further canyon-izing the Eisenhower at the IMD.

It's bitter sweet because this will totally ruin one of my favorite views of the city, from the Rush parking garage looking east.

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Cook County Hospital Redevelopment This picture doesn't show a ton going on but I'll update in a month or so to compare.
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It's so cool watching the IMD transform right now alongside the West Loop. One day they'll be practically indistinguishable, much like Streeterville and the Northwestern Medical Campus.

Related question, does anyone remember those apartment towers that were proposed on Ashland near the IMD? Are those ever getting built?
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It's so cool watching the IMD transform right now alongside the West Loop. One day they'll be practically indistinguishable, much like Streeterville and the Northwestern Medical Campus.

Related question, does anyone remember those apartment towers that were proposed on Ashland near the IMD? Are those ever getting built?
Yep, and as IMD and the West Loop continue to improve, my Pilsen holdings grow ever more valuable. Thanks, Ald Solis—keep blocking development, it just drives more traffic to my buildings
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Related question, does anyone remember those apartment towers that were proposed on Ashland near the IMD? Are those ever getting built?
SCIO, I think. It's been pretty quiet. I believe phase one is renovating the existing apartment building before the towers go up.
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He's talking about the gateway development which is still planned and currently has the retail component under construction.
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He's talking about the gateway development which is still planned and currently has the retail component under construction.
^ Those are on Damen. Scio is the one on Ashland and Taylor, replacing a dinky one-story parking structure. Should be a nice gateway to that commercial strip on Taylor.


That Rush tower is awful. Couldn't they do a better job making the parking garage front Ashland? Maybe a retail base with an employee terrace at the second-floor level?

I don't really care if the garage fronts Congress, which is just a glorified frontage road, but Harrison and Ashland are important streets that both deserve a decent treatment.
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He's talking about the gateway development which is still planned and currently has the retail component under construction.
You are actually both right. I was thinking of both developments! Good to know one of them is well underway now
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There TARP/Deep Tunnel project has been a relative steal, cost-wise. $3 billion to date, with a long life span. I don't think there'd be much controversy to spend another three billion to double the capacity, if necessary. It would be money spent over decades, and the city finds billions just for the CTA when necessary. Granted, money is only getting tighter as we pay for the pensions, but I don't think cost is at all a problem with the Deep Tunnel. Future efforts should, of, course, seek out more economical solutions, but I've never heard anyone claim the cost of the Deep Tunnel was unreasonable given the benefit.
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Any reason you are against that? I see no problem with replacing toxic asphalt with brick pavers. They are more attractive and better for the environment well beyond simply water drainage issues
I took what you said out of context to make it look like you were implying that parking lots be mandatory for new developments. It was a joke.
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This will be a nice project to replace a parking lot just east of Rush's main hospital (I think) thus further canyon-izing the Eisenhower at the IMD.

It's bitter sweet because this will totally ruin one of my favorite views of the city, from the Rush parking garage looking east.
It didn't replace a parking lot. It replaced hundreds of apartments. In fact, they're adding a giant parking garage.

I saw early renders of this building years ago (it was originally announced three years ago, and was supposed to be finished in 2020). It looked very different, more unique (it had a tiered approach). Looks very different now. I hope it didn't get VE'd, but it might explain why it's been delayed to 2022.

It's also missing the inevitable dozens of Rush signs on it. I don't think they put up anything that doesn't have multiple Rush signs on it. I've seen one building that literally had two Rush signs on it just a few feet from each other on the same side, lol.

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It didn't replace a parking lot. It replaced hundreds of apartments. In fact, they're adding a giant parking garage.

I saw early renders of this building years ago (it was originally announced three years ago, and was supposed to be finished in 2020). It looked very different, more unique (it had a tiered approach). Looks very different now. I hope it didn't get VE'd, but it might explain why it's been delayed to 2022.

It's also missing the inevitable dozens of Rush signs on it. I don't think they put up anything that doesn't have multiple Rush signs on it. I've seen one building that literally had two Rush signs on it just a few feet from each other on the same side, lol.
It replaced apartments but I hated those apartments. They were designed with an inward orientation, like something out in the burbs. It almost seems like everything built in the 90s was like this.

I’m glad to see they are gone. Yes this new project will have a huge garage but that’s just gonna happen when you’re talking about huge hospitals and health systems. All in all this is a positive development and pretty much the right thing for this particular area, which will never be prime real estate for anything else
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One flawed development replacing another; seems like kind of a lateral move to me.
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