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Originally Posted by biguc
Malls are failing all over North America. What makes this one, roughly half way between the city's two largest and most successful malls, likely to succeed? Something is going to give, and I'd rather see this place fail than Polo Park or St. Vital.
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The Winnipeg Outlet mall is going to most heavily impact the box stores just south of their on Kennaston. The distance to customers and that they were trying to run a stealth outlet mall will bite them now that there is a proper weather protected outlet mall. It's also not so much about the total capacity on retail in Winnipeg but who cashes the rent cheques. One of the big players realized there were leaving rent money on the tables for others to gobble up.
In terms of long term prospects in the Winnipeg market, Cadallic Fairview and their Polo Park status as king of the market are definitely the most vulnerable. The failed Polo Park target and the cost of the Stadium site as a whole needs to be dragging down their local prospects. Add in that the Polo area is nearly fully saturated making finding anyone remotely interested in the Stadium site an extremely difficult task.
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Originally Posted by SpongeG
people keep complaining about target. please in plain simple english explain what was different about it. I never found a problem with target in Canada. I often found the stuff in seattle target more expensive than back here in canada for the same item. They both carried nate berkus stuff, mossimo stuff etc.
What was not the same? what are the usual target items?
one dumb ass i read complained that they didn't carry the same pop he could by in the states. Well thats not targets fault but coca cola or pepsi co canada divisions that don't carry or allow those products to be sold in canada. I'm thinking mr pibb or sierra mist etc.
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There were definitely specific lines of products Target Canada did not have. For example the US locations have clothing in sizes for both larger folks and taller folks. Canada
never got those. Some of items Target had sourced from outside companies and secured only US exclusive rights. As those outside producers had long seen demand in Canada they signed exclusive details with other retailers blocking Target from carrying them.
In terms of the pop side, that was a huge calculated misstep by Target. They could have approach CocaCola and Pepsi and gotten exclusive runs of some of those banners done and eaten those costs as a lost leader for their openings. Instead they chose to carry operational loses across their opening. It is two different approaches on how you can build a customer base.
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Originally Posted by tree
And worse Target just gave up on it.
They would have got it figured out. Their ERP set up was a joke and they screwed it all up from the start. They're probably still sorting out the distribution centers
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This cannot be overstated enough. I can't recall the specifics of why it was down but Target Canada decided to operate a different inventory management software solution than Target USA had used for years. This meant they had no internal experience with the Canadian system. It lead to huge data issues in the system. The system was meant to track inventory down to the shelf level. Problem is they had that information wrong resulting in stores needing to try and improvise or stock needing to sit in the backroom as there was no where to put it out. Target Canada was trying to run a very lean system though and more stock kept coming but there was no where to put in and the problem just compounded.
Another significant part of Target Canada's failure was their corporate culture was that you never said no. This meant that before any stores opened in Canada when senior staff held a meeting and knew the launch should be delayed several months rather than speak up on their concerns they remained silent hoping to fix the issues on the fly.
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Originally Posted by laumag
I really wanted Target Canada to succeed. I took out their credit card and I shopped there as much as possible. My biggest disappointment came when the brand new Polo store opened. I assumed it would house a complete grocery/deli/bakery and such. At least that was what "I had heard". I like the Grand Forks Target for this reason. I attended the opening week and was very disappointed.
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Target did not communicate that overly well to the public. They run essentially two or more banners. The Grand Forks location is a "Super Target" and they commonly have two entrances. It was fairly clear that Polo Park would not be a Super Target before it opened and would actually be closer to the Target store in Fargo.
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Originally Posted by Chrisforpm
They finally fixed their inventory issues, about 6 months before they closed. Unfortunately by then it was too late.
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Target Canada might have fixed their supply chain management issues but they never did solve the gap between customer expectations and store inventory.
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Originally Posted by lilwayne
that north gate shopping plaza is turning into a congested mess with all the buildings popping up in that parking lot..
what the hell were they thinking...
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Keep in mind the Moore Centre (SportsCheck, TD Bank, etc) just south of Northgate is a different development and landlord. It seems the new owner of Northgate is trying to more visibly establish their property lines and limit cross parking which used to be fairly common.
As was mentioned previously, the new developer seem to have a plan that they hope will make better use of the rear parking lot. We will see once all the changes are finished. It always seemed that the layout of the site and limited parking was a significant part of why Target had not taken over that site.
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