^ LivingIn622 where is Florida in your state count?
I'm sorry I must have accendentaly not put Florida on the list. The number of buildings for Florida is 432. I put Florida on the list after I edited the post. florida ranks 7th.
LOL - the point is anyone can concoct any list they want to skew their city a little higher than the next. New York and Chicago stand alone in any list. The rest of the top tiers, Houston, Dallas, Miami, Atlanta, SF, Seattle, you can put in a bag and shake em up and not tell much difference driving through.
One thing I have noted about New York, is that, YES, New York has more 12+ highrises than any other U.S. city, but there are a lot of old 12 to 20 story buildings that contribute to that total.
New York, however has a ton of 500'+ buildings.
Chicago on the other hand has many very tall buildings in the city, but alot less 12-20 story buildings than New York.
One of the reasons I prefer the height list than just number of stories. As I've said, 500 ft is just a random number, but its a clearer indication of taller towers. In New York, there are relatively few neighborhoods where you can build tall towers at all, where as a place like Hong Kong has highrises going up all over the place. You don't have the opposition that can halt highrises there as you would have in the US, so it doesn't really compare.
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I decided to create my own list, based on SSP's diagrams, ordered by official height and including built and UC buildings.
Cities ranked by number of buildings over 350 feet. (roughly 25-30 stories)
New York (of course)......552
Chicago........................243
Jersey City.....................20
Lookout, here comes Jersey City!....
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A loose convention in the United States now draws the lower limit of a "skyscraper" at 150 meters (500 ft). A skyscraper taller than 300 meters (984 ft) may be referred to as supertall. In the United States, the supertall convention is 100 stories, which is equal to 1,000 feet. Shorter buildings are still sometimes referred to as skyscrapers if they appear to dominate their surroundings.
The somewhat arbitrary term skyscraper should not be confused with the slightly less arbitrary term highrise, defined by the Emporis Standards Committee as "A high-rise building is a multi-story structure with at least 12 floors or 35 meters (115 feet) in height."
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I wouldn't doubt by using the 12-floor metric that a lot of cities would beat out Philadelphia. There are very few buildings outside of Center City that are more than 6 storeys let alone 12. And even then at least half of Center City is in the 3-6 storey range. Really, outside of CC i think it's just a few dorms and some hospital buildings in University City, a few buildings/hospitals along North Broad and one at the corner of Chelten and Germantown Ave.
I wouldn't doubt by using the 12-floor metric that a lot of cities would beat out Philadelphia. There are very few buildings outside of Center City that are more than 6 storeys let alone 12. And even then at least half of Center City is in the 3-6 storey range. Really, outside of CC i think it's just a few dorms and some hospital buildings in University City, a few buildings/hospitals along North Broad and one at the corner of Chelten and Germantown Ave.
I always prefer the height list. For example, buildings 500 ft and above. I think that tells a greater story, and you cut off the housing projects, unlike the 12 story lists.
That completely takes FAA height limited cities like San Diego out of the discussion.
This might seem kind of stupid, but even after all of this discusson of what classifies as a skyscraper and what doesn't, I'm still left hanging.
To make my point, back in the late 1800s' early 1900s' a 10 story building was nothing short of an accomplishment. Kansas City has a bunch of these buildings although more of them were built after that. In the 20s' and 30s' that barrier was shattered when the Empire State Building was built at over 1300 feet. Today, we are seeing proposals of buildings all over the world that are passing 2000 - 3000 feet. It seemed like a while back I saw something proposed in Dubai that could exceed a mile in height. I could be wrong.
The question I ask is: Are the skyscrapers from the turn of the 20th century no longer skyscrapers? If we see those ludacris proposels come to pass in the future, and we see a lot of them, What will that make a skyscraper of 500 feet?
I *still* like 500'. Simply due to the fact that there still aren't that many cities with buildings that tall. There really aren't. And the only cities in the US that aren't in that club but would be absent height limits are Honolulu, Phoenix and San Diego (SD has 1, but would have many many more if not for Lindbergh).
A 500' office building is massive and a 500' residential tower goes a little beyond your run-of-the-mill housing project.
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Here's a list i put together from the Emporis database of American cities with at least one 700+ footer:
black = completed
red = under construction
New York **************************************** = 40
Chicago ********************* = 21
Houston ********** = 10
Los Angeles ******** = 8
Atlanta ***** = 5
Dallas ***** = 5
Philly ***** = 5
Miami ***** = 5
Seattle **** = 4
Minneapolis *** = 3
Boston ** = 2
Cleveland ** = 2
Denver ** = 2
Pittsburgh ** = 2
San Francisco ** = 2
Charlotte ** = 2
Detroit * = 1
Indianapolis * = 1
Jersey City * = 1
Mobile * = 1
Las Vegas * = 1
not surprisingly, construction of America's very tallest buildings really is concentrated in New York & Chicago right now, the two cities combining for 73% of the 700+ footers currently under construction in the nation.
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Last edited by Steely Dan; Nov 16, 2007 at 9:03 PM.
I guess it's all in one's perspective as well. If you live in Chicago, New York, or Hong Kong, a building 500 feet tall would probably not get a second look, let alone a 150' / 10 story building. However, if you live in Topeka, St.Joseph, or Grand Island, a 150' / 10 story building might be a lot more significant.
Here's a list i put together from the Emporis database of American cities with at least one 700+ footer:
black = completed
red = under construction
New York **************************************** = 40
Chicago ********************* = 21
Houston ********** = 10
Los Angeles ******** = 8
Atlanta ***** = 5
Dallas ***** = 5
Philly ***** = 5
Miami ***** = 5
Seattle **** = 4
Minneapolis *** = 3
Boston ** = 2
Cleveland ** = 2
Denver ** = 2
Pittsburgh ** = 2
San Francisco ** = 2
Charlotte ** = 2
Detroit * = 1
Indianapolis * = 1
Jersey City * = 1
Mobile * = 1
Las Vegas * = 1
not surprisingly, construction of America's very tallest buildings really is concentrated in New York & Chicago right now, the two cities combining for 73% of the 700+ footers currently under construction in the nation.
Yes but using 700 foot really diminishes a city's impact. Atlanta would jump to over 30 buildings if you used a 500' minimum. I'm sure other cities would grow too.
Yes but using 700 foot really diminishes a city's impact. Atlanta would jump to over 30 buildings if you used a 500' minimum. I'm sure other cities would grow too.
According to Emporis Atlanta has 12 completed buildings over 500 feet with another 2 under construction ( Soveriegns & Mansions on Peachtree). Are there another 16+ buildings over 500 feet U/C in Atlanta that we don't know about?
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kcexpress69 - I guess it's all in one's perspective as well.
You're absolutely right. . . in fact it's also based upon an individual's DEFINITION. . . so there's no right or wrong answer to what defines a "skyscraper". . . Emporis uses the 12 floor rule. . . others use a 500 foot mark. . . some people are inclined to include non-traditional buildings such as CN Tower in their definition, and there's no doubt if you were standing at the foot of the Brooklyn Bridge that you would be so inclined as to consider that structure as a "skyscraper" as well. . . so yeah. . . there's no right or wrong answer. . . in fact, the more you delve into the details as to how one measures a building, the more you realize how absurd and trivial it gets. . . numbers games are fun, but they're merely academic. . . sometimes we get so obsessed with the numbers game that it ceases to become fun and turns into a childish squabble. . . much like a long game of Risk might turn into at 4 in the morning after large amounts of whiskey have been consumed by a group of childhood friends. . . and there's always the one guy pouring over the rules book to referree the ensuing - and no doubt game ending - turn that is about to take place. . .
so I hope I answered your question. . . or at least gave you some perspective on the subject
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That completely takes FAA height limited cities like San Diego out of the discussion.
I don't see how that's relevant.
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I *still* like 500'. Simply due to the fact that there still aren't that many cities with buildings that tall. There really aren't. And the only cities in the US that aren't in that club but would be absent height limits are Honolulu, Phoenix and San Diego (SD has 1, but would have many many more if not for Lindbergh).
A 500' office building is massive and a 500' residential tower goes a little beyond your run-of-the-mill housing project.
That's true. I like that number. It separates the "pretenders" from the Big Boys...
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