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Old Posted Aug 22, 2007, 6:24 AM
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Wow saturation of a public transportation system, I can't fathom that...amazing.
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2007, 3:33 PM
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^ The population of the US will increase by 33% by 2050, so you had better believe we're getting better transit. It's already started, with about 50 cities building light rail lines. Besides, NYC, Seattle, San Fran, are all building new subways.

Where did you get that info? I highly doubt that SF is building a subway although they have been extending the BART. And Seattle certainly is not building a subway. They are buidling a lightrail line which is primarely at ground level with only a couple underground stations.

I think lightrail in general is the wrong direction to be expanding transit in this country. It is a toy compared to any real subway train or commuter railroad. Compare the Hudson-Bergen light rail's usefullness with the PATH trains and you'll know what I mean.

Cities ought to be buiding full scale train systems like they have in Chicago, Boston, etc.


Lightrail in the US can move about 10,000 people per hour per track using two minute headways.*

Full gauge subway/ elevated trains can move around 70,000-80,000 people per track per hour with three minute headways, but that can change depend on the legnth of trains.*

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Old Posted Aug 23, 2007, 4:11 PM
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Lightrail in the US can move about 10,000 people per hour per track using two minute headways.*

Full gauge subway/ elevated trains can move around 70,000-80,000 people per track per hour with three minute headways, but that can change depend on the legnth of trains.*

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Actually no light rail have this capacity in USA.
And no subway transport this number of passagers per hour in USA.

The busiest subway in N.Y.C line carry around 40,000 people per track per hour.
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2007, 1:48 AM
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The system in Paris is certaintly very good, but it seems like the the system is dealing with problems of overcrowding given the extremly high rate of growth. 5-10% growth rates in one year.. thats unfathomable in the US, even in NYC.
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2007, 10:53 AM
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2007, 5:41 PM
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What's the word on the strike?
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2007, 7:07 PM
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Yes actually there is in strike, even if my bus line had a very well frequency in rush hours (One bus every 10 minute, it is 1/2 of bus wich run, of course in peak hours)

In the subway only the line 14 work like everyday (Of course it is driverless )
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2007, 9:17 PM
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They say that people are fighting on the platform...
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2007, 7:46 AM
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2007, 2:13 AM
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Wow saturation of a public transportation system, I can't fathom that...amazing.
It may be unusual in USA. But in Montreal, especially since the opening of the Laval extension, the east branch of the metro orange line is overcrowded... Some of my coworkers have reported to let 2-3 trains go before they can have a place to enter.

Most of the commuter trains are also overcrowded during rush hours, especially the Deux-Montagnes line.

And buses... The reserved bus line that is running between Brossard and downtown running at full capacity, and the replacement of the line by a modern LRT line is in planning since a decade now. Same thing for Park Avenue and Pie-IX lines.
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2007, 2:13 PM
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Before 2003, the line 14 was quite empty, since the extention in Saint Lazare station this line is crowded.
This traffic was 175 000 passengers per day before 2003 and with only a extention of one station is traffic is now at 400,000 passengers per day.

But the overcrowding in Paris is nothing like Montreal.

Average rush hour in the line

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Old Posted Dec 7, 2007, 2:14 PM
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Pictures of the strike.

Picture of the strike by Metropole

Note that the line have a train every 5 minute, it is over 10 minute for the other line (In some line, it a train per hour !!!)

Gare de Lyon




Chateau de Vincenne It is first station of this line no problem.



Nation the depart of the train in the first station of this line


Saint Lazare


Chatelet The entrance of the platform


Like in the average rush hour, but the platform are more crowded


Saint Germain des Pres It is station without other lines in average day it is never crowded


Saint Lazare not so different than the average rush hour.


Gare de Lyon Like the average rush hour but with a lower frequency (30 minutes instead of 90 second)




Magenta I should said that I have never see crowd in this line, it have capacity of 80,000 travellers per hour for each direction but have only 200,000 passengers per day.


Anyway the strike is over.
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RER terminates at St Lazare currently. It is not finished yet. The projected extension is to the west to La Defense where it will considerably relieve the hevily crowded RER A and Metro Line 1. It will then experience a massive boost in uptake, hence the excess capacity at the moment.
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2007, 9:00 PM
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RER terminates at St Lazare currently. It is not finished yet. The projected extension is to the west to La Defense where it will considerably relieve the hevily crowded RER A and Metro Line 1.
The construction of the extension has not started yet.
I don't even think the works have a financing and a schedule.
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2007, 9:21 PM
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It may be unusual in USA. But in Montreal, especially since the opening of the Laval extension, the east branch of the metro orange line is overcrowded... Some of my coworkers have reported to let 2-3 trains go before they can have a place to enter.

Most of the commuter trains are also overcrowded during rush hours, especially the Deux-Montagnes line.

And buses... The reserved bus line that is running between Brossard and downtown running at full capacity, and the replacement of the line by a modern LRT line is in planning since a decade now. Same thing for Park Avenue and Pie-IX lines.
Tell me about it. Vancouver's trains are also overcrowded... and they come every 60 seconds during rushhour.
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2007, 10:04 AM
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Extension of M13.
The opening is planned next year : the line will be extended by 1,88 km with two new stations.
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