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NYguy · #**181** Posted **Jan 28, 2020, 12:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by gramsjdg

Not really enough detail in that model to see if that would be a good design or not

I’m thinking not so much the design as a tapering tower with a large, skyline busting crown on top. If the state is gonna get involved, they may as well go all the way. It’s the state that brought us the WTC.

aquablue · #**182** Posted **Jan 28, 2020, 9:42 AM**

Rocket ship to mars there..

Surprise MF.. lol

It's a total curve ball out of left field. You can't imagine how weird it would look in NY, yet it might be a good idea to change things up in the city design-wise. Still not my favorite look.. Would like something else.

don't like the current design, looks bad up top.. hope changed. Looks like a poor mans CheeseGrater.

Sky88 · #**183** Posted **Jan 28, 2020, 1:38 PM**

A tower like to the Hubei Landmark Tower project Shenzhen, China would be perfect for Grand Hyatt place.

http://www.gpchicago.com/architectur...andmark-tower/

gramsjdg · #**184** Posted **Jan 28, 2020, 3:40 PM**

Yeah- that is a cool design!

JMKeynes · #**185** Posted **Jan 28, 2020, 3:47 PM**

I don't envision anything like that. They want to maximize their office space in a cost-effective manner. We could still get something very cool like 1 Vandy, 270 Park, 350 Park, etc., but some 1,600 spire is highly unlikely.

mrnyc · #**186** Posted **Jan 28, 2020, 3:54 PM**

the old wtc cone shaped model doesn't fit the site at all. the hubei style tower would be a classy fit though.

i agree they will want something more in line with a boxy mixed use hotel/office tower likely.

its exciting that it seems it really could be a monster super tall.

perfect site for one too.

and very much the perfect building to tear down and do it up right with.

matt19215 · #**187** Posted **Jan 28, 2020, 7:07 PM**

Maybe since this building will be right next to the Chrysler building they might consider having a large crown or spire to compliment it

chris08876 · #**188** Posted **Jan 28, 2020, 8:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes

I don't envision anything like that. They want to maximize their office space in a cost-effective manner. We could still get something very cool like 1 Vandy, 270 Park, 350 Park, etc., but some 1,600 spire is highly unlikely.

This right here is what will happen.

Given the incredible costs to build in this district, maximizing usage and in a manner that is cost effective is key. If we are lucky, a nice crown or maybe ornamental spire, but the bulk of the building will not be designed in a matter that won't max out the sites potential. 270 Park is an example of something that maximizes efficiency, but can still please us urban junkies.

Crawford · #**189** Posted **Jan 28, 2020, 8:31 PM**

Love that Hubei Landmark Tower design. Would be perfect for 42nd Street.

NYguy · #**190** Posted **Jan 29, 2020, 4:43 AM**

^ It's like a taller One Vanderbilt.

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Originally Posted by mrnyc

the old wtc cone shaped model doesn't fit the site at all. the hubei style tower would be a classy fit though.

i agree they will want something more in line with a boxy mixed use hotel/office tower likely.

Again, the cone shaped tower wasn't mentioned as an actual design for the site, but I mentioned a taper tower (which comes in many forms, like Vandy, 270, etc) with a massive yet proportional crown could do the trick.

That being said, anybody remember this old, never built? (and right next to the GH site) Would have been the tallest in the world at the time, and really changed the perception of the skyline.

https://www.6sqft.com/this-80-story-...grand-central/

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes

They want to maximize their office space in a cost-effective manner. We could still get something very cool like 1 Vandy, 270 Park, 350 Park, etc., but some 1,600 spire is highly unlikely.

I think it's unlikely that Cuomo would get himself involved to build another 1,400 ft tower, of which Midtown has no shortage of. Unless you're going to top it with a 300 ft crown to top everything else in the area. Cuomo is on his legacy building tour, and the one thing he needs is his big New York skyscraper. This will be a mixed-use tower of office/hotel/retail. There are an infinite number of ways they can make this work. They've already said they want to build a tower on the One Vanderbilt model, (as opposed to the Hudson Yards, where they are able to build the large office floors to maximize on the office space). This won't be a tower for large, 1msf or so tenants, similar to Tower Fifth, even if the governor doesn't get involved.

It's a very unique site, particularly for a large office tower, hemmed in on two sides, a virtual branch of Grand Central itself. This will be a very special tower.

https://tfc.com/blog/in-development/...t-new-york-wsj

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"We look forward to the opportunity to bring a new icon to New York's skyline and help advance the City's goals for desperately needed new development and infrastructure in East Midtown," said Jeremy Shell, a principal at TF Cornerstone.

We shall see.

JANUARY 28, 2020

Sky88 · #**191** Posted **Jan 29, 2020, 2:16 PM**

Well, if they've already said they want to build a tower on the One Vanderbilt model, then a tower like to the Suzhou Zhongnan Center project would be more fair for this site.

www.pinterest.jp/pin/856246947887157975/

JMKeynes · #**192** Posted **Jan 29, 2020, 3:29 PM**

So does the city (and local boards, etc) have no say in the design of this tower, and it basically gets rubber-stamped by the state?

If so, that's promising since NIMBY shmucks can't complain that it's too tall vis-à-vis Chrylser, etc.

mrnyc · #**193** Posted **Jan 29, 2020, 4:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

^ It's like a taller One Vanderbilt.

Again, the cone shaped tower wasn't mentioned as an actual design for the site, but I mentioned a taper tower (which comes in many forms, like Vandy, 270, etc) with a massive yet proportional crown could do the trick.

That being said, anybody remember this old, never built? (and right next to the GH site) Would have been the tallest in the world at the time, and really changed the perception of the skyline.

https://www.6sqft.com/this-80-story-...grand-central/

that's another similar one that doesn't fit the site, or midtown at all for that matter.

suzhou zhongnan center above is a better fit, if also an unlikely design.

chris08876 · #**194** Posted **Jan 29, 2020, 5:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes

So does the city (and local boards, etc) have no say in the design of this tower, and it basically gets rubber-stamped by the state?

If so, that's promising since NIMBY shmucks can't complain that it's too tall vis-à-vis Chrylser, etc.

The state can override local ordinances. More state involvement would be ideal. Get these towers rising, under the guise of public interest. Monroe v City of Rochester was a case study in the public interest versus land regulations.

The local boards tend to be advisory, its the city council that matters. Folks like Gale Brewer or a borough president act as a "recommendation" but do not have the ultimate choice. Somewhat shifts into politics in some cases with the bias siding towards the borough president. Hopefully the right party comes into office next election to limit some of these SJW policies in Brooklyn and Queens that do nothing but harm the development of much needed housing and job producing initiatives (NYC is overdue for change, we need another Bloomberg).

Something like Grand Hyatt is set and done. If the state wants this tower, its going to happen. Nothing the schmucks as your rightly describe can do, which is good. We need less rich (entitled, the world owes them) folks complaining about loss of views and shadows, and get our office space and residential units up and running. A booming NYC in all sectors keeps us competitive, and the premier Alpha++ city of the world.

aquablue · #**195** Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 6:31 AM**

You won't find anything that really breaks the mold. It's too close to the ESB anyway to 'not fit in' lol. Remember how much Vandy was designed to blend in with the old beauties. It's obvious that the intent was to not rock the baot.

predict another ny tower, nothing foreign looking.

aquablue · #**196** Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 6:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by Sky88

Well, if they've already said they want to build a tower on the One Vanderbilt model, then a tower like to the Suzhou Zhongnan Center project would be more fair for this site.

nice tower.

NYguy · #**197** Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 5:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by aquablue

predict another ny tower, nothing foreign looking.

And we would have it no other way, especially if it’s to be among the tallest on the skyline.

mrnyc · #**198** Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by aquablue

You won't find anything that really breaks the mold. It's too close to the ESB anyway to 'not fit in' lol. Remember how much Vandy was designed to blend in with the old beauties. It's obvious that the intent was to not rock the baot.

predict another ny tower, nothing foreign looking.

no doubt.

and that's fine.

as long as its nice, bonkers impressive height and public amenities.

and for the record i'm not against asian-styled or round based supertalls for nyc.

that's what lic is for.

giantSwan · #**199** Posted **Feb 3, 2020, 2:16 AM**

This location would be perfect for the first nyc 2000+ footer. In fact, I'll be disappointed if they don't go for it here - train access, central location, etc.

Visionist · #**200** Posted **Feb 3, 2020, 8:37 AM**

The Hyperboloid would be an interesting replacement for MSG.

EDIT: 'course, MSG is I think over 420' wide, so proportionally a Hyperboloid stretched to fill MSG's lot would be 2400' high.

The top 400' or so would just be the empty lattice crown though. At those proportions, you could have 100,000 square foot floorplates at the bottom and the top. Make the slab to slab heights 20' or so and you're looking at one hundred storeys of AAA Grade office space, potentially over 6,000,000 square feet of it, right above a railroad hub to boot.

I wonder if anything so ambitious will rise in our lifetimes.