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Old Posted Feb 14, 2017, 8:04 PM
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^^ Thanks, that explains quite a bit of it from a top view, but still confused as to how Upper Wacker is connected to the LSE Park level road. There must be one hell of a ramp in there somewhere because isn't it like 40 or more vertical feet elevation change?
There not much space there, so where is this steep grade? Under the tower there is a hill?
The park-level road is N. Field Blvd. It's going to pass under Vista to Sub Lower Wacker, exactly as it does currently, just with a building on top of it. E. Waterside Drive is the elevated road, and it's going to be extended along the north side of the Shoreham (the building south of the east side of Vista) and then turn north and pass through Vista to connect to Upper Wacker. After it turns north it will presumably be renamed Upper N. Field Blvd., or something similar. So roads will pass through Vista at two levels, one on top of the other, with no need for an elevation change for either.

EDIT: Here are slides that show the two levels, taken from the same Curbed article:

1. LOWER LEVEL/PARK LEVEL




2. UPPER LEVEL (E. Waterside Drive / N. Harbor Drive level)

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Old Posted Feb 14, 2017, 8:19 PM
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^ Its not connected to the park level rd
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The park-level road is N. Field Blvd. It's going to pass under Vista to Sub Lower Wacker, exactly as it does currently, just with a building on top of it. E. Waterside Drive is the elevated road, and it's going to be extended along the north side of the Shoreham (the building south of the east side of Vista) and then turn north and pass through Vista to connect to Upper Wacker. After it turns north it will presumably be renamed Upper N. Field Blvd., or something similar. So roads will pass through Vista at two levels, one on top of the other, with no need for an elevation change for either.
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It's not really detailed, but here's a diagram that shows it:

^^ Thanks. I get it now. The entire circuit in red here is elevated quite high above park level. Makes sense now! I have only been there a few times, I thought Waterside and Harbor Drive were at park level, but they are elevated streets too. So there are no ramps at all in the final circulation between Upper Randolph and Upper Wacker. It is all at the "upper" level.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2017, 8:42 PM
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^^ Thanks. I get it now. The entire circuit in red here is elevated quite high above park level. Makes sense now! I have only been there a few times, I thought Waterside and Harbor Drive were at park level, but they are elevated streets too. So there are no ramps at all in the final circulation between Upper Randolph and Upper Wacker. It is all at the "upper" level.
It is quite confusing. I live in Lakeshore East and it took me a while to work it out this weekend. I'm still a bit confused about what happens at the middle Wacker level (which I think is called Lower Wacker, confusingly, in distinction from Sub-Lower Wacker, which is beneath it). I had initially assumed that there would be a turnaround area at that level, underneath the building and between what will be the two levels of N. Field Blvd., but if the diagram below is to be believed, it looks like it's solid building at that level:



This rendering, which is presumably taken from the park/south of the building seems to support that:



(both again taken from the Curbed article referenced above)

I guess that makes sense when you think about it. That part of Lower Wacker (i.e., the middle level of Wacker) is essentially just a ramp to/from Lake Shore Drive.
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^ That's the rendering I was looking for weeks ago! Thanks! Does anyone know if they still plan to do something like this at the Riverwalk level? This rendering does not show up in any current web sites or marketing material.
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I guess it's no different than having a parking deck under the building but that doesn't strike me as super duper secure in this day and age
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I guess it's no different than having a parking deck under the building but that doesn't strike me as super duper secure in this day and age
That'd have to be a very large explosion to do anything crazy damaging to the structure. It took an airplane to bring down the WTC towers...
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It is quite confusing. I live in Lakeshore East and it took me a while to work it out this weekend. I'm still a bit confused about what happens at the middle Wacker level (which I think is called Lower Wacker, confusingly, in distinction from Sub-Lower Wacker, which is beneath it). I had initially assumed that there would be a turnaround area at that level, underneath the building and between what will be the two levels of N. Field Blvd., but if the diagram below is to be believed, it looks like it's solid building at that level:
There is no turn around on the middle level of Wacker (called Lower Wacker as opposed to Upper Wacker or Service Level Wacker (which you called it Sub-Lower Wacker)). The middle level (Lower Wacker) is basically a freeway on ramp that routes you onto Lakeshore Drive so it would be silly to snarl it with some attempt to connect it to something.
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You can see to the right of this shot.. the Gems II site is no longer being used for staging and is now blocked off. Wonder if they will get moving on this project now.
It's even easier to see on the Vista webcam
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^^^^ Three cranes within a football fields length of connecting lots would be pretty baller to see. especially driving south down LSD over the river.
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There is no turn around on the middle level of Wacker (called Lower Wacker as opposed to Upper Wacker or Service Level Wacker (which you called it Sub-Lower Wacker)). The middle level (Lower Wacker) is basically a freeway on ramp that routes you onto Lakeshore Drive so it would be silly to snarl it with some attempt to connect it to something.
I would assume there will be entrance and exits to the Vista parking levels on the middle level (similar to the Aqua garage and Swiss/303 E. Wacker garage) but not sure if I have seen any details on that.
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(both again taken from the Curbed article referenced above)

I guess that makes sense when you think about it. That part of Lower Wacker (i.e., the middle level of Wacker) is essentially just a ramp to/from Lake Shore Drive.
Wait, that huge building is supported only by those columns underneath? That doesnt seem right. That render must not be correct, wheres the core?
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Wait, that huge building is supported only by those columns underneath? That doesnt seem right. That render must not be correct, wheres the core?
This render depicts the center tower, which is 'suspended' between the West and East towers - it's roughly where the main tower crane is. The core depicted in the recent photos is the Western tower.
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2017, 3:48 PM
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I would assume there will be entrance and exits to the Vista parking levels on the middle level (similar to the Aqua garage and Swiss/303 E. Wacker garage) but not sure if I have seen any details on that.
I had assumed that also. At least a couple of the buildings on Randolph east of Columbus have parking garage entrances/exits on Middle Randolph, even though that part of Middle Randolph is essentially just an onramp/offramp to Lake Shore Drive, so I don't imagine that would stop them. But if you go through the presentations they gave on Vista, months ago now, they discuss entrances to the parking garage on at the top level and a 'public' garage entrance/exit at Sub Lower Wacker (along with two loading docks at that level), but they conspicuously fail to mention any entrances at the middle level. My guess is that they'll still have entrances/exits at that level, though perhaps they'll discourage or prevent use. My building has an entrance/exit at the lower level, for example, but they only allow people to use it when they close the upper entrance and exit -- which they've done at the moment, because someone drove into the entrance door yet again.
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I would assume there will be entrance and exits to the Vista parking levels on the middle level (similar to the Aqua garage and Swiss/303 E. Wacker garage) but not sure if I have seen any details on that.
Not all the buildings over there have access from that level. Neither the Regatta or Chandler have access from lower Wacker. I can't recall if there's ingress/egress from parking for Vista on this level.
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^Yes they do. . . I know for a fact that the Chandler has lower wacker access and am almost certain that Regatta does as well. . . unless you're referring to the "mid" Wacker level. . .

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From the webcam it looks like we are going to have another mat pour here by the end of the week.
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