Should Canada Be Preparing for a Destabilized USA?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

Latest poll of Canadians shows 76% would vote for Clinton.

Regionally, the prairies are the most pro-Trump.

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/p...e.aspx?id=7459

Poppycock. Everyone who reads SSP knows that conservatism and progressivism are evenly distributed across the country, and that no region is more conservative than another.

[jmt18325]

It's like how I learned on here today that California isn't really a blue state. The things you learn on SSP.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

It's like how I learned on here today that California isn't really a blue state. The things you learn on SSP.

Well, Clinton has 20 point lead there and they've voted for every Dem president since 1992. Looks pretty blue to me.

[logan5]

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[geotag277]

Trump is the least conservative Republican party nominee, potentially in the history of the party. He is anti free trade, he loudly criticizes US foreign policy, he walks around stages holding the rainbow flag, he invites openly gay speakers at the national convention, he lambasted Hillary for accepting money from countries who have histories of human rights violations against gay people. Died in the wool American conservatives hate Trump. If we are equating Trump with modern American conservatism than words have truly lost all meaning.

Regarding red state and blue state, I wouldn't challenge that California is a blue state, but that being said, in 2012 almost 40% of voters choose Romney. Texas is a red state, but about 40% of voters in 2012 voted for Obama.

Yes, these states have their traditional colors, but that doesn't mean there aren't extremely large pockets of support for the other party in those places.

Texas may turn into a blue state in some of our lifetimes - depending of course if the current political parties are defined as they are today. The deep south used to be solidly blue until the civil rights act, after all, which had the effect of drastically changing the political positions of both parties. If there is a fundamental shift, who knows, California could also turn "red".

[GreaterMontréal]

Texas may turn into a blue state in some of our lifetimes -

very true, big cities = Democrats

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Well, Clinton has 20 point lead there and they've voted for every Dem president since 1992. Looks pretty blue to me.

I was being facetious.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by geotag277

Trump is the least conservative Republican party nominee, potentially in the history of the party. He is anti free trade, he loudly criticizes US foreign policy, he walks around stages holding the rainbow flag, he invites openly gay speakers at the national convention, he lambasted Hillary for accepting money from countries who have histories of human rights violations against gay people. Died in the wool American conservatives hate Trump. If we are equating Trump with modern American conservatism than words have truly lost all meaning.

Regarding red state and blue state, I wouldn't challenge that California is a blue state, but that being said, in 2012 almost 40% of voters choose Romney. Texas is a red state, but about 40% of voters in 2012 voted for Obama.

Yes, these states have their traditional colors, but that doesn't mean there aren't extremely large pockets of support for the other party in those places.

Texas may turn into a blue state in some of our lifetimes - depending of course if the current political parties are defined as they are today. The deep south used to be solidly blue until the civil rights act, after all, which had the effect of drastically changing the political positions of both parties. If there is a fundamental shift, who knows, California could also turn "red".

There are good points in there but something tells me you're actually setting up a subsequent post claiming that the Prairies (esp. Alberta) aren't really "conservative".

[logan5]

Originally Posted by geotag277

Trump is the least conservative Republican party nominee, potentially in the history of the party. He is anti free trade, he loudly criticizes US foreign policy, he walks around stages holding the rainbow flag, he invites openly gay speakers at the national convention, he lambasted Hillary for accepting money from countries who have histories of human rights violations against gay people. Died in the wool American conservatives hate Trump. If we are equating Trump with modern American conservatism than words have truly lost all meaning.

Regarding red state and blue state, I wouldn't challenge that California is a blue state, but that being said, in 2012 almost 40% of voters choose Romney. Texas is a red state, but about 40% of voters in 2012 voted for Obama.

Yes, these states have their traditional colors, but that doesn't mean there aren't extremely large pockets of support for the other party in those places.

Texas may turn into a blue state in some of our lifetimes - depending of course if the current political parties are defined as they are today. The deep south used to be solidly blue until the civil rights act, after all, which had the effect of drastically changing the political positions of both parties. If there is a fundamental shift, who knows, California could also turn "red".

Didn't the Republican Party lose their way years ago? Hence the term "Neo Con".

Seems that Ron Paul, who ran last time, best fits the description as an actual conservative. He was painted in the media as an outsider and a kook. The tv news media has a ridiculous amount of influence on people, but the internet seems to be evening things out, as seen with the rise in popularity of Bernie Sanders.

[Metro-One]

Interesting that it is BC and Quebec that seem to be the most anti-Trump.

[Doady]

I hope Trump wins. I've watched Sicko, so I know exactly what Hillary Clinton is like. Last thing the USA needs is the status quo. I am looking forward to a destabilized USA, and destabilization of the establishment that intefered with democracy and prevented Bernie Sanders from getting a fair chance at the nomination. I am looking forward to USA acting a democracy, where people have the power, not the corporations. More specifically, what I'm most looking forward to is Trump coming in and ripping up NAFTA. My mom had a unionized job for many years, and they moved the factory to Mexico and she lost her job. Free trade benefits the corporations, not the people, and the corporations the ones that are pulling Hillary Clinton's strings, so fuck her.

[csbvan]

Originally Posted by Doady

I hope Trump wins. I've watched Sicko, so I know exactly what Hillary Clinton is like. Last thing the USA needs is the status quo. I am looking forward to a destabilized USA, and destabilization of the establishment that intefered with democracy and prevented Bernie Sanders from getting a fair chance at the nomination. I am looking forward to USA acting a democracy, where people have the power, not the corporations. More specifically, what I'm most looking forward to is Trump coming in and ripping up NAFTA. My mom had a unionized job for many years, and they moved the factory to Mexico and she lost her job. Free trade benefits the corporations, not the people, and the corporations the ones that are pulling Hillary Clinton's strings, so fuck her.

Don't forget blacklisting critical media. Democracy!

[jmt18325]

Clinton has once again surpassed 70% on fivethirtyeight, and the democrats have a 50.1% chance of a senate majority.

[csbvan]

Originally Posted by geotag277

Trump is the least conservative Republican party nominee, potentially in the history of the party. He is anti free trade, he loudly criticizes US foreign policy, he walks around stages holding the rainbow flag, he invites openly gay speakers at the national convention, he lambasted Hillary for accepting money from countries who have histories of human rights violations against gay people. Died in the wool American conservatives hate Trump. If we are equating Trump with modern American conservatism than words have truly lost all meaning.

Regarding red state and blue state, I wouldn't challenge that California is a blue state, but that being said, in 2012 almost 40% of voters choose Romney. Texas is a red state, but about 40% of voters in 2012 voted for Obama.

Yes, these states have their traditional colors, but that doesn't mean there aren't extremely large pockets of support for the other party in those places.

Texas may turn into a blue state in some of our lifetimes - depending of course if the current political parties are defined as they are today. The deep south used to be solidly blue until the civil rights act, after all, which had the effect of drastically changing the political positions of both parties. If there is a fundamental shift, who knows, California could also turn "red".

That's true. Trump did indeed prove how irrelevant the conservative movement is in the U.S. It isn't even a commanding force in the Republican party. It is essentially a dwindling fringe movement.

[enrigue8]

It can happen.
If trump don t win, he will challenge the result and not accept his defeat.
He will call her supporters to go out and destroy everything.
It possible that USA enter in a civil war.

[logan5]

Ehh. I could see Trump inspiring some domestic terrorism though. His supporters are truly delusional.

[geotag277]

Originally Posted by csbvan

That's true. Trump did indeed prove how irrelevant the conservative movement is in the U.S. It isn't even a commanding force in the Republican party. It is essentially a dwindling fringe movement.

I wouldn't say it's fringe. Figures like Romney and Paul Ryan and others which represent traditional American conservatism are still widespread throughout the republican party.

I would say Sanders also proved how fractured the Democratic party is. In reality, the USA is politically diverse enough to support 4 major parties (roughly, Sanders, Clinton, Romney, and Trump) - and the 2016 election has showed just how flawed and inadequate the two party system is in representing American voices.

[jmt18325]

I don't think Trump represents anyone but Trump. In his place I'd probably say Ron Paul or maybe Rand Paul

[Loco101]

I can't believe that some people are still thinking that Trump has a chance. Just the loss of many female and Hispanic voters who normally would vote Republican has killed him of any chance.

[geotag277]

Originally Posted by Loco101

I can't believe that some people are still thinking that Trump has a chance. Just the loss of many female and Hispanic voters who normally would vote Republican has killed him of any chance.

Some people support a data oriented view instead of off the cuff by the gut assessments of the likelihood of a candidacy based on wishful thinking and partisan ideologies.

He is the heavy underdog, but by all reasonable metrics, it has between 1 in 4 to 1 in 3 shot at winning the presidency, and that is at least 3x as likely as Romney was in 2012.