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Old Posted Sep 16, 2018, 2:10 PM
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In the next rumor mill: Emirates’ CEO says the carrier is considering secondary US markets.
https://skift.com/2018/09/07/ceo-emi...ness-recovers/

The article names Austin, Indianapolis, and San Jose as examples of secondary markets that other airlines have opened; granted this is the author’s own analysis AND (big caveat here) Emirates’ CEO says an awful lot of things (he’s kinda famous for running his mouth actually).
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2018, 5:56 PM
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In the next rumor mill: Emirates’ CEO says the carrier is considering secondary US markets.
https://skift.com/2018/09/07/ceo-emi...ness-recovers/

The article names Austin, Indianapolis, and San Jose as examples of secondary markets that other airlines have opened; granted this is the author’s own analysis AND (big caveat here) Emirates’ CEO says an awful lot of things (he’s kinda famous for running his mouth actually).
Emirates is not coming to Austin anytime soon. They already fly daily to DFW and IAH.
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2018, 6:08 PM
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Emirates is not coming to Austin anytime soon. They already fly daily to DFW and IAH.
I am kind of surprised their cargo operation doesn’t fly here. I would actually expect to see that long before a pax operation.
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2018, 8:16 PM
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I am kind of surprised their cargo operation doesn’t fly here. I would actually expect to see that long before a pax operation.
Why would they? AUS cargo ops are not exactly jumping off the charts.
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 AM
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The difference between BA and EK is that when BA started service here, it was the only transatlantic service and there was untapped demand to Europe. I doubt it’s the same case with Austin to the Middle East, and if they did start I imagine it would take a chunk of (connecting) traffic from BA just like Emirates and the other gulf carriers did to DFW.

When I say connecting I mean people connecting in Europe/Middle East from AUS. They’d probably start other top tier secondary cities first, perhaps SJC as mentioned, or PDX or DTW. On a brighter note, a transpacific would be more likely first.
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2018, 12:47 PM
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The difference between BA and EK is that when BA started service here, it was the only transatlantic service and there was untapped demand to Europe. I doubt it’s the same case with Austin to the Middle East, and if they did start I imagine it would take a chunk of (connecting) traffic from BA just like Emirates and the other gulf carriers did to DFW.

When I say connecting I mean people connecting in Europe/Middle East from AUS. They’d probably start other top tier secondary cities first, perhaps SJC as mentioned, or PDX or DTW. On a brighter note, a transpacific would be more likely first.
The Middle East, no. The Indian subcontinent, however, is a notoriously price-sensitive and not terribly brand loyal market.

I’ve actually always been afraid that Emirates would try to barge in here—I think it would hurt the BA service far more than another major European carrier (or the long rumored DL to AMS) entering the market would, especially given that Emirates is ever so slightly known for things like predatory behavior and unfair state subsidies.

On the other hand, there’s a lot of ifs here: if they’re serious about second tier markets, if they convert their existing 777 options into smaller airframes, if they continue to survive all the WTO lawsuits being lobbed at them over the Dubai government protecting them from unprofitability.

I agree with you that there are much more likely places to start (Detroit, with its large Arab American population, seems like a slam dunk for them). On the other hand, when they first announced it 5 years ago I had doubts as to whether the BA service would even make it, let alone be operated by a 747 one day. Things change so fast here.
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2018, 2:31 PM
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The Middle East, no. The Indian subcontinent, however, is a notoriously price-sensitive and not terribly brand loyal market.

I’ve actually always been afraid that Emirates would try to barge in here—I think it would hurt the BA service far more than another major European carrier (or the long rumored DL to AMS) entering the market would, especially given that Emirates is ever so slightly known for things like predatory behavior and unfair state subsidies.

On the other hand, there’s a lot of ifs here: if they’re serious about second tier markets, if they convert their existing 777 options into smaller airframes, if they continue to survive all the WTO lawsuits being lobbed at them over the Dubai government protecting them from unprofitability.

I agree with you that there are much more likely places to start (Detroit, with its large Arab American population, seems like a slam dunk for them). On the other hand, when they first announced it 5 years ago I had doubts as to whether the BA service would even make it, let alone be operated by a 747 one day. Things change so fast here.
As much as I like Emirates as an airline, and would take them any day, I would prefer to have Turkish. Mainly because I like their connections better to get to places like Europe than flying through Dubai.
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2018, 5:36 PM
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As much as I like Emirates as an airline, and would take them any day, I would prefer to have Turkish. Mainly because I like their connections better to get to places like Europe than flying through Dubai.
TL;DR I’m not really hoping Emirates comes here so much as I’m afraid they might.

But, yes, in general, I also like TK as a carrier better (although the new Istanbul airport can’t come soon enough. Sitting on the floor is overrated).
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In other news: Frontier is pulling out of the Austin-Atlanta market. Apparently 2x per week can’t really compete with multiple daily flights on Southwest and Delta. *shocking,* I know.
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In other OTHER Frontier-related news: the ABIA website recently posted an updated map of the terminal that says Frontier will start flying out of the South Terminal on November 14, 2018: http://www.austintexas.gov/sites/def...t_counters.pdf. Not sure about reliability - I haven't seen this announced or press-released anywhere else yet, and that date is less than two months away. On the other hand, I seem to remember Allegiant only announcing their move a couple of months in advance, so could be legit.

They currently share gates with other airlines in the main terminal, so it wouldn't mean more open gates, but could mean more check-in counter space for whoever picks up the expansion gates??
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2018, 3:13 PM
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In other OTHER Frontier-related news: the ABIA website recently posted an updated map of the terminal that says Frontier will start flying out of the South Terminal on November 14, 2018: http://www.austintexas.gov/sites/def...t_counters.pdf. Not sure about reliability - I haven't seen this announced or press-released anywhere else yet, and that date is less than two months away. On the other hand, I seem to remember Allegiant only announcing their move a couple of months in advance, so could be legit.

They currently share gates with other airlines in the main terminal, so it wouldn't mean more open gates, but could mean more check-in counter space for whoever picks up the expansion gates??
It would also allow Delta (who they generally gate-share with) to operate more flights out of the same gates.
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2018, 4:06 PM
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In other OTHER Frontier-related news: the ABIA website recently posted an updated map of the terminal that says Frontier will start flying out of the South Terminal on November 14, 2018: http://www.austintexas.gov/sites/def...t_counters.pdf. Not sure about reliability - I haven't seen this announced or press-released anywhere else yet, and that date is less than two months away. On the other hand, I seem to remember Allegiant only announcing their move a couple of months in advance, so could be legit.

They currently share gates with other airlines in the main terminal, so it wouldn't mean more open gates, but could mean more check-in counter space for whoever picks up the expansion gates??
I believe this announcement is reliable, I have heard about this coming from a source as well.
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2018, 8:27 PM
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TL;DR I’m not really hoping Emirates comes here so much as I’m afraid they might.

But, yes, in general, I also like TK as a carrier better (although the new Istanbul airport can’t come soon enough. Sitting on the floor is overrated).
My next flight on them is next March. I hear the new airport will be fully in operations by then.

When I flew through in July...I realized how much they needed a new one. Even if I spend 2 hours there, it seems like the only way to get a decent seat is by buying a beer at a restaurant.
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